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Vincent Iannelli, M.D.

Flu Shots in Pregnancy Protect Babies Too

By June 29, 2011

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Flu vaccines are routinely recommended to help reduce the risk that kids get the flu.

Unfortunately, kids who are under six months old, who are at high risk for complications from the flu, are too young to get a flu shot.

That's why it is often recommended that all contacts of these newborns and younger infants get a yearly flu shot, with the idea that if no one around them gets sick with the flu, then that will decrease their chances of being exposed and getting sick themselves.

A new study that was published in the June issue of American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, "Impact of maternal immunization on influenza hospitalizations in infants," reinforces the idea that young children can be protected from the flu if their mothers get a flu shot while still pregnant.

While there is a recommendation that women who are pregnant get a flu shot, it is primarily a recommendation to protect the health of the mother during her pregnancy. This study, which looked at hospitalized infants during flu seasons from 2002 to 2009, found that infants of mothers who had received a flu shot while pregnant were 45 to 48% less likely to be hospitalized with influenza.

Although the number of pregnant women who got a flu shot rose to a high of 51% recently during the H1N1 pandemic, that is still lower than some other high risk groups. News that getting a flu shot can also protect their baby during flu season will hopefully get even more pregnant moms their flu shot during the 2011-12 flu season.

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June 29, 2011 at 1:56 pm
(1) Kat says:

Dr. Iannelli, with all due respect, there is no long term research that tells us a pregnant mother should be injected with any vaccine. Where is all the research that tells us that a developing fetus is okay to receive the additives, adjuvants, and other properties of a vaccination? For goodness sakes with the up to 163 or so pollutants infants are already exposed to, why would we want to increase that pollutant exposure and potentially affect their renal, immune and neurological development — making it even more difficult to deal with the injection of vax after birth (for those who decide to do that)?

June 29, 2011 at 2:12 pm
(2) Kat says:

To all the pregnant women who are taking good care to research what they should do while carrying their sweet developing little baby: Please see this link for what is in all the various flu shots:


Then, I implore you to ask yourselves if this is truly what you want for the development of your little one and his or her intricate immune system (or for yourself). Metals, antibiotics, formaldehyde, allergens, etc. I know it is tough to take all the time to research each piece and to gain more understanding of how the body works (and a developing one at that). But trust me, it is well worth the effort.

I also know that it is hard to face your primary physician, OB and pediatrician, but you must and you can. YOU are the consumer and if your medical professionals do not appreciate your choices, you need to find ones who will.

June 29, 2011 at 3:54 pm
(3) Marsha says:

You are so right, Kat.

The following is very damning for all the mis-information that has been effectively debunked for anyone & all who pay attention & do the proper research instead of just beLIEving what we are told;

“Parents Voice:
Children’s Adverse Outcomes Following Vaccination


I believe there are over 1000 voices there of parents telling it like it is & more being added daily.

June 30, 2011 at 3:27 pm
(4) Matt Carey says:

“I know it is tough to take all the time to research each piece and to gain more understanding of how the body works (and a developing one at that). But trust me, it is well worth the effort. ”

I agree totally with this part of what you said. I took a lot of time looking at vaccines. Ingredients, effects, possible adverse reactions.

I came to the conclusion: vaccinate myself and my kids.

I wish I had done the research before my kids were born. I would have been damned sure that my immunizations were up to date. Who wants to transmit whooping cough to their infant? I’m lucky nothing happened. But why did I take the risk?

June 29, 2011 at 4:56 pm
(5) RS says:

Anecdotal Instances of Miscarriages, Still Births, Premature Births, and Other Health Problems Reported by Women After Their Influenza-Vaccine Inoculation(s) as of 5 February 2010



June 29, 2011 at 11:13 pm
(6) AutismNewsBeat says:

By anecdotal, do you mean “unconfirmed?”

June 30, 2011 at 5:41 am
(7) Kat says:

If it weren’t for anecdotes how would humans ever make necessary change? Next, perhaps we would like to propose a vaccine for the dreaded speech capacity and a mind that thinks on its own?

There needs to be checks and balances in the world and this is the only way so far that it happens ~ through the freedom of sharing thought. I know that frightens some who cling so tightly to the notion of herd immunity when it comes to vaccines.

June 30, 2011 at 12:38 pm
(8) Matt Carey says:


you are running up against the classic double standard in the vaccine debate. One doesn’t need data to create fear. One needs a good story. Good doesn’t mean factually based.

Anecdotes led people to believe that thimerosal in vaccines caused autism. Data shows this not to be true. The fear still lingers.

Anecdotes led people to believe that the MMR vaccine caused autism. Again, data shows this to not be true.

The fear from those mistakes may take decades to forget.

Anyone can put up a website. Some people are well meaning and misinformed. Some people are not so well meaning.

I find it troubling that people who rely on VAERS to create fear almost always leave out the warning that is plainly given on the website: “When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established.”

June 29, 2011 at 5:13 pm
(9) Nancy says:

Flu shots have never been proven to work and in fact there is plenty of evidence that they are not effective, but mostly they are not safe. Please read this:

Flu Vaccine Caused 3587 US Miscarriages & Stillbirths


June 29, 2011 at 11:31 pm
(10) AutismNewsBeat says:

Nancy, flu shots have been proven safe and effective. See the recent Cochrane Review study which found vaccinated persons less likely to contract the flu than unvaccinated.

Child Health Safety is a notorious anti-vaccine website. You might a well be quoting Jenny McCarthy.

June 30, 2011 at 3:33 am
(11) Victoria says:

Where’s the independent study confirming that flu shots work and are safe?

June 29, 2011 at 5:26 pm
(12) Sean says:

DUDE! You sure you’re a doctor? This is a propaganda piece in my opinion.

June 29, 2011 at 5:36 pm
(13) Nancy says:

I wonder what his ties are to pharma… ??

June 29, 2011 at 6:00 pm
(14) Victoria says:

He’s busy cashing the check as we speak!

June 30, 2011 at 1:27 pm
(15) Matt Carey says:

Why is it whenever someone takes on the standard, scientifically valid, position on vaccines, he/she is accused of being paid off by big pharma?

I gotta tell you, the “pharma shill” argument is something that has always told me that there is someone without facts in the discussion. And it isn’t the supposed shill.

June 29, 2011 at 5:46 pm
(16) Ralph says:

Flu shots STILL contain Thimerosal. Yes, they do have some without, but the vast majority still contains it. So how is it healthy to inject a pregnant woman with any amount of mercury? A fetus immune system certainly is not developed enough to pass it through ! Come on !! Have less chance of getting the flu after your born, but risk neurodevelopmental disorders, and other diseases……brother!

June 29, 2011 at 11:52 pm
(17) AutismNewsBeat says:

Mercury is in everything we eat and drink, and has been since the Earth cooled. If a child is unable to handle 25 mics of thimerosal injected into a muscle or under the skin, then he/she has bigger problems than an annual flu shot.

June 30, 2011 at 3:34 am
(18) Victoria says:

yeah, it’s called mitochondrial disease and it’s the reason THE GOVERNMENT HANDS OUT MILLIONS EVERY YEAR TO CHILDREN WHO HAVE VACCINE INJURIES!

Why aren’t people testing for mito BEFORE injecting??

June 30, 2011 at 5:30 am
(19) Kat says:

One of the most crucial differences is injection versus ingestion. Please study why this difference is so important.

June 30, 2011 at 3:52 pm
(20) victoria says:

Isn’t 25 mics ABOVE the FDAs guidelines for the daily limit of mercury?

July 1, 2011 at 8:36 am
(21) ChildHealthSafety says:

Mercury is neurotoxic in parts per billion and thiomersal causes allergy as confirmed by the European Medicines Agency. [See "Vaccines, Autism and Your Child’s Allergies"
http://tinyurl.com/64ywd8h ]

What this means is that for your baby given just one gram of mercury on a teaspoon to be within the US EPA’s safety reference dose for mercury in food that baby would have to weigh 10,000 metric tonnes.

That is how toxic mercury is.

And what has caused the exponential increase in asthma and allergies since the dawn of the mass multiple vaccine era of the 1980s?

And of course 12 times more people die every year just from asthma than died from measles in the 1960s. This ignores deaths from the newly arrived food allergies since the vaccine era and deaths from any other adverse effects of vaccines.

Just great those vaccines, huh?

June 29, 2011 at 5:54 pm
(22) Victoria says:

This article leaves a lot to be desired…. like science, truth, and common sense.

Where did you get your doctorate from? A Cracker Jack box?

June 29, 2011 at 11:57 pm
(23) ANB says:

Victoria, where did you earn your medical degree?

June 30, 2011 at 3:28 am
(24) Victoria says:

What does having a medical degree have to do with it?

Where did you get YOURS?

June 30, 2011 at 9:40 am
(25) autismnewsbeat says:

I’m not the one ridiculing Dr. Iannelli.

June 29, 2011 at 5:55 pm
(26) Shawn Siegel says:

Dr. Iannelli, if this is a joke, it’s a bad one. Most, perhaps all, flu vaccine inserts include the warning: safety and effectiveness of [this vaccine] have not been established in pregnant women or nursing mothers. Afluria, to my knowledge the most widely administered flu vaccine, on lines 374-375 of the insert, specifies: It is also not known whether AFLURIA can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity.

And, again on the Afluria insert: No controlled clinical studies demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with AFLURIA have been performed. That is, Merck’s not even claiming the vaccine will prevent the flu! Do the other vaccine inserts include similar statements?

Dr. Iannelli, have you read them?

You also say, sir, While there is a recommendation that women who are pregnant get a flu shot, it is primarily a recommendation to protect the health of the mother during her pregnancy.

However, to complete the Afluria quote from the first paragraph above: It is also not known whether AFLURIA can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. AFLURIA should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.

I have no idea what situation would indicate a “clear need” for a flu vaccine, but, obviously, your statement and the manufacturer’s statement are at great odds.

At this point, the old saw – the universal insert advisory that the vaccine has not been tested for carcinogenicity or mutagenicity – seems almost trite.

Dr. Iannelli, I beg you to visit vaccinationcouncil.org and find out why the physicians you’ll find on that page have abandoned unquestioning faith in vaccination.

June 29, 2011 at 11:24 pm
(27) AutismNewsBeat says:

Shawn, vaccine inserts are written by lawyers, so it helps to read between the lines. There is no credible evidence that AFLURIA harms fetuses. The phrase “It is also not known whether AFLURIA can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity” reflects VAERS reports of fetal injury “following” AFLURIA. “Following” can mean six months after the vaccine. Fetal injury occurs in unvaccinated mothers as well, and VAERS reports are voluntary and not always confirmed through follow up.

If vaccine makers are conspiring to harm children with vaccines, then why would they include warnings on the package inserts?

June 30, 2011 at 3:36 am
(28) Victoria says:

because parents never see them–so they can

June 30, 2011 at 10:08 am
(29) Shawn Siegel says:

So, AutismNewsBeat – you advise paying no attention to the vaccine insert warnings?

June 29, 2011 at 10:03 pm
(30) Vincent Iannelli, MD says:

There was actually another article in the June issue of American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology about flu shots in pregnant women – “Adverse events following administration to pregnant women of influenza A (H1N1) 2009 monovalent vaccine reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.”

Another review of reports to VAERS, this one following H1N1 vaccination in pregnant women, it also did not identify any concerning patterns of maternal or fetal outcomes.

June 29, 2011 at 11:36 pm
(31) RS says:

Flu vaccine propaganda has been in the works for a long time, that is how to promote flu vaccines for healthy people who don’t really need them. Here’s the CDC’s 7 step recipe for generating interest and demand for the flu vaccine.


Daily newspaper reports should contain:

New Message – Outbreak/Disease Widespread
New Message – Could be a bad/serious flu season
New Message – Vaccine does not have the same viral strain as circulating flu virus
New Message – Child death reported from flu
New Message – Adult/elderly death reported from flu
New Message – Flu kills 36,000 people per year
New Message – Frequency of influenza stories by week

June 29, 2011 at 11:46 pm
(32) AutismNewsBeat says:

Why don’t healthy people need the flu vaccine? Last year’s swine flu killed healthy young people.

June 30, 2011 at 12:38 am
(33) RS says:

“Why don’t healthy people need the flu vaccine?”********* A new study confirms yet again what many prior studies have shown [see list at end], that ‘flu vaccination is largely ineffective [despite what Government "health" officials want you to believe - but where of course will they be looking for their next job when they retire at 50 on generous government pensions]: Jefferson T, et al. Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy adults (Review). Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2010 Jul 7;(7):CD001269.

June 30, 2011 at 12:42 am
(34) RS says:
June 30, 2011 at 12:48 am
(35) RS says:

Why don’t healthy people need the flu vaccine?**********As may be expected given improvements in living conditions, nutrition and other public health measures, influenza death rates substantially declined across the 20th century. Doshi calculates an 18-fold decrease in influenza deaths between the 1940s and 1990s, a trend that began far before the introduction of widespread vaccination.


June 30, 2011 at 3:40 am
(36) Victoria says:

strangely enough, they were healthy young VACCINATED people. (derp!)

June 30, 2011 at 9:37 am
(37) RS says:

Why don’t healthy people need the flu vaccine?*********The global experience further documents the futility of H1N1 vaccine efforts. Countries that immunized less than the US or Canada, or not at all (Poland) had H1N1 experiences similar to ours regarding rates of infection and deaths. The vaccine didn’t make a difference to the outcome.

June 30, 2011 at 10:35 am
(38) RS says:

We are talking about flu vaccines! Countries that immunized less than the US or Canada for H1N1 flu, or not at all (Poland) had H1N1 flu experiences similar to ours regarding rates of infection and deaths. The H1N1 flu vaccine made no absolutely no difference to the outcome.


June 29, 2011 at 11:44 pm
(39) RS says:

Ramifications of adverse events in children in Australia

Last winter the likelihood that a child without risk factors would die from swine flu was less than one in a million.2 When such a high proportion of children develop moderate to severe febrile reactions to the influenza vaccine, more harm than good seems likely from vaccinating them.


June 30, 2011 at 11:35 am
(40) Samantha @ MyaMaternity.com says:

Vaccines will always be a very hot topic. But the fact is there have been so many problems caused by vaccines even when a person isn’t pregnant. When a woman is pregnant her immune system is automatically compromised a little and injecting her with anything that is not necessary is going to raise problems. It should be the woman’s choice whether she has a flu shot or not. It is her body and her baby and her choice.

Maternity Clothing at MyaMaternity.com

June 30, 2011 at 11:37 am
(41) Emily Willingham says:

For anyone who has the misfortune of reading some of the unsupported comments in this thread and who may find them frightening or daunting (a deliberate intent on the part of the commenters), there are plenty of Websites offering solid information about vaccines and their relative safety. By relative, I mean that the possibility of their harming you or your child is minuscule compared to the possibility of harm from the diseases they prevent. Indeed, compared to most medical interventions–all of which carry some risk–the possibility is minuscule. That’s not to diminish the real adverse effects that some people have suffered, but everything about living is about make risk-benefit choices. In the case of vaccines, choosing not to vaccinate is not a choice that applies only to you or to your child; it affects society as a whole. The measles outbreaks that have resulted in hospitalizations of a large percentage of those infected–many of them very young–are only one example. Measles infects millions every year and kills about 200,000 people annually, most of them children. Every one of those deaths was preventable by a vaccine. (continued)

June 30, 2011 at 12:13 pm
(42) Suzanne says:

“choosing not to vaccinate is not a choice that applies only to you or to your child; it affects society as a whole.”

I presume you refer to ‘herd immunity’ or what is recently being referred to as ‘community immunity’ – a much more PR-friendly term. Could you please refer me to any study that shows this phenomenon exists in a vaccinated population?

“The measles outbreaks that have resulted in hospitalizations of a large percentage of those infected–many of them very young–are only one example. Measles infects millions every year and kills about 200,000 people annually, most of them children. Every one of those deaths was preventable by a vaccine.”

I have several problems with this statement:

1. It is disingenious of you to quote figures that include the developing world where, according to the WHO, the prime cause of death is disease caused by unclean water, poor santiation and malnutrition. The subject matter at hand is the USA which does not have these issues to contend with. Can you please quote the relevant figures?

2. Can you please point me to the proof you have that any – not each but ANY – of these measles deaths could have been prevented by a vaccine?

3. May I suggest you go and read the WHO recommendations for Vitamin A supplementation then come back and tell us how many of those measles deaths were in 1. infants who were not breastfed (as per WHO recommendations) 2. Immunocompromised individuals and 3. how many of those hospitalised with measles were treated with Vitamin A?

June 30, 2011 at 12:48 pm
(43) Matt Carey says:

A clinician/researcher in Africa has made a very different observation: mortality was more related

As to citing WHO, I did read their statement: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

Who claims that about 50% of the mortality can be reduced with vitamin A supplementation after the infection.

Are we to assume that the other 50% were immune compromised or not breast fed? Seems highly unlikely.

Are we to accept a large number of people dying of measles? Not everyone will get vitamin A, especially in areas with poor infrastructure (including after a disaster). Not everyone getting vitamin A will survive.

I’ll leave you with this statement by WHO, since that organization seems to be credible to you (as it should):

“The measles vaccine has been in use for over 40 years. It is safe, effective and inexpensive.”

June 30, 2011 at 4:11 pm
(44) victoria says:

you win a billion internets!

June 30, 2011 at 12:30 pm
(45) RS says:

You are trying to give the impression that deaths from the measles can only be kept under control with the vaccination. Figures published in International Mortality Statistics from 1915 to 1958 shows that the measles death rate in the US and UK, in 1958, had already declined by 98%. The measles vaccine was introduced a few years after the decline in 1963. The decline in deaths from measles was not due to the vaccine, but better sanitation, nutrition and standards of living in the US and UK. Today the measles in first world countries is a mild disease and has been for a very long time; before the introduction of the vaccine. In impoverished third world countries with lower living and health standards measles can be more severe, but this has more to do with the conditions of those countries than anything else. So, who’s fear mongering?

June 30, 2011 at 12:59 pm
(46) Matt Carey says:

It is a wonderful thing that medicine has been able to treat measles and prevent so many deaths. Measles still kills and causes permanent injury, even in the developed countries.

“The measles vaccine was introduced a few years after the decline in 1963. ”

You don’t seem to have accurate data. Here is a paper you might want to look over: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/reprint/70/11/1166.pdf

Figure 1 shows that the infection rates were constant with time over decades. The mortality rate was declining, but it took a big dip down when the vaccine went into effect, reducing the number of infections.

June 30, 2011 at 1:15 pm
(47) Matt Carey says:

“The measles vaccine was introduced a few years after the decline in 1963. ”

Not an accurate statement. The infection rate *and* the mortality rate dropped dramatically in the mid 1960′s after the introduction of the vaccine.

The death rate dropped by a factor of 20 after the introduction of the vaccine.

Measles is not a “mild” disease. France had 2 deaths in 2009. (1 encephalitis, 1 pneumonia). In 2010, over 600 cases were admitted to hospital in France, with over 120 having pneumonia.

over 80% of those infected in France were not immunized against measles. Another 13% only had 1 vaccination.

June 30, 2011 at 1:32 pm
(48) Vincent Iannelli, MD says:

In the 60′s, 50 to 150 people died each year in England and Wales from measles, at a time when they had good sanitation, nutrition and standards of living.

After they started giving the measles vaccine in 1968, measles deaths declined much more.

They had a campaign to boost vaccination rates in 1994 and started giving the MMR booster in 1996.

You can clearly see the effects of the measles vaccine on reported cases of measles and measles deaths in England and Wales and that measles was not under control before they started using the measles vaccine.

June 30, 2011 at 1:38 pm
(49) Vincent Iannelli, MD says:

“Today the measles in first world countries is a mild disease and has been for a very long time; before the introduction of the vaccine.”

So far in France this year:

* over 12,500 cases of measles
* 444 cases of severe pneumonia
* 14 cases of encephalitis
* 6 deaths

Measles outbreaks seem mild when there are relatively few cases, like we have in the US right now. Measles is very predictable and follows historical trends, even in the 21st century. If you get enough cases, above 1 to 2,000, you are likely to start seeing more and more of the severe measles complications.

June 30, 2011 at 11:37 am
(50) Emily Willingham says:

(continuation of previous comment): What you need to find is information that is grounded in references from scientific journals. Also, if you read that a “vaccine hasn’t been safety tested,” I refer you to the FDA for information about safety testing for any medical intervention and a better understanding of what is required to introduce a medical intervention into clinical use. It’s simply not possible for a vaccine to come into clinical use for an FDA-approved application without having undergone safety testing.

Some places to go for scientifically supported information about vaccines include the CDC…you can search their site for any specific vaccine, and they will give you all the particulars, with any caveats related to having a specific vaccine *and* with citations from the literature. Another place to go is the World Health Organization. You also can visit Websites like Shot of Prevention and PKIDS (Parents of Kids with Infectious Diseases; disclosure: I blog for the latter). Whatever you do, don’t simply use information you find in comment threads. People at places like WHO and the CDC are infectious disease experts. They know what they’re talking about, and they’re not colluding in an enormous global conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of doctors, scientists, scientific journals, pharmaceutical companies, and others to harm you or your child. They’re involved in public health because they care about public health.

June 30, 2011 at 3:05 pm
(51) Marsha says:

I don’t know how you can make such a statement that our comments are unsupported, Emily. Any third party on the fence looking in can see that’s just not true.

About those websites you say have solid information. The science really is fraud & you’d know that if you had actually researched. Even with the tip of the iceberg offered here, there’s more than enough fact & evidence for anyone who’s, seriously, looking for truth.

But I do suggest to everyone that they, must, research your sites, too, as well as all our team sends for review. Our people are well able to sort out the deception & mis-information so they can & will come to their own educated conclusions.

Anyone who parrots what we have been fed who hasn’t done the in depth research, has no say in this matter. They may pretend they have but the facts remain & thinking people paying attention know what’s really what.

The NVIC is a great place to get the true facts.

Their slogan is, “Investigate Before You Vaccinate”


And about the measles Emily has brought up.

For review of those interested in the true facts;

“Six Times More Measles Vaccine Adverse Reaction Reports Than Measles Cases in 2011″


And for the scientific journals you are buying into. You need to back track & review the facts I sent on this as it’s plain the journals & studies are fraud called science.

As for the FDA. The same today as yesterday & if you watched what I sent where Congressman Burton addressed the House & heard what the FDA really represents you would not even bother to mention them, Emily.

The CDC & the WHO? Ridiculous! Partners in crime. And Shot of Prevention? Have you seen the commentless articles put out lately? Even the pro vax crowd has given up & have not been commenting. This is all true, I kid you not.

June 30, 2011 at 8:33 pm
(52) Suzanne says:

Emily, just one study, please. Find me one study on the carcinogenicity or mutagenicity of a vaccine product. Just one. While you’re there, find me one study that uses only a benign saline placebo in a double blind randomly controlled study on the safety or efficacy of a vaccine product. Either. I’m not fussy.

As for the security of knowing that the FDA and CDC oversee the approval of vaccnes. I do believe the approval for Vioxx went by the same route, as did so many other drugs that have since been recalled and pulled off the market.

Do you know what a phase IV study is, Emily? It is the safety and efficacy monitoring of a drug product in the market after it has been approved. There is your long term safety and efficacy right there. IF the monitoring is done, which in the case of vaccines it is not becasue VAERS is voluntary and correlation is not causation and vaccines are lifesaving and of course I’m talking out of my backside and you have the ‘science’ on your side.

Utter rot.

June 30, 2011 at 9:35 pm
(53) Matt Carey says:

“Emily, just one study, please. Find me one study on the carcinogenicity or mutagenicity of a vaccine product. Just one.”

Here are a few ingredients I recall. Since people like to list ingredients in a scary way, it always amuses me that some are…well, food.

MSG–monosodium glutamate.

Not a carcinogen. It is often used as a food additive.

Albumin–part of eggs. If it is carcinogenic, it isn’t at the levels in vaccines. Otherwise Egg McMuffins would have been banned a long time ago.

Ascorbic Acid–also known as vitamin C


Efficacy? How about…oh, the fact that Measles incidence dropped by a factor of 20 a couple of years after the vaccine was introduced in the US. Meningitis dropped a couple of years after the Hib vaccine was introduced. Rubella is basically gone from the U.S. when as recently as the 1960′s there were huge outbreaks causing women to lose their babies or the babies to be born with major disabilities….

People who try to scare others about vaccine ingredients who haven’t even done the simple homework to look at the table of ingredients bother me. People who claim vaccines don’t work–asking for efficacy data–and put themselves into internet discussions as though they have actually researched vaccines also bother me.

June 30, 2011 at 11:51 am
(54) RS says:

Vaccination Creep and Questions of Democracy: will influenza vaccination remain voluntary? Peter Doshi

The policy makers have taken an approach of “creeping incrementalism”, or gradually increasing the vaccination recommendations to more and more groups over time.

What is the evidence of benefit from influenza vaccines especially among the general population? Previous reviews have found the evidence to support a policy of universal vaccination, especially among healthy adults, to be lacking. The government’s expansion of recommendations is occurring at a time when the evidence in favor of influenza vaccination is being shown to be especially weak.

Source: http://www.dmi.unipg.it/~mamone/sci-dem/nuocontri_1/doshi4.pdf

June 30, 2011 at 3:15 pm
(55) Matt Carey says:

“What is the evidence of benefit from influenza vaccines especially among the general population? ”

Are infants not the “general population”. The post above, you might notice, gives evidence of benefit.

June 30, 2011 at 11:58 am
(56) Marsha says:

Part 3 for Dr. Iannelli

Thank the good that God is there’s a new breed of doctors coming out & they will not be allowing this cover up to go on.

Harvard Medical Students Rebel Against Big Pharma Ties


Med Schools Pressed To Cut Drug-Firm Ties


Harvard Medical School Restricts Faculty Ties to Industry


It is propaganda, doctor, as you can begin to see if you are being honest & love children more than money.

We’ve all been fed the deception but it’s now time to wake up & come out of the dark so more children will not continue to be harmed. Too much evidence has surfaced & it’s, now, not possible to fool enough people in order to continue this charade that’s based in ignorance & greed.

The truth is vaccines never saved us. This has been proven & recorded in the archives of history for posterity to learn from, in many places. Vaccines were not even in the picture when death from disease began it’s decline, doctor, & that’s the real truth as research will show.

Many wise voices have been trying to wake us up for years but have been stifled & ignored, until now, as referenced at this link.



Daily, we wake & so do those in the medical field. Many scientists, doctors & nurses are now on the side of truth & standing with us, globally. They are speaking out as you’ll see if you pay true attention. In fact, among our many activists are ex pharmaceutical employees who are speaking out, too, & their numbers are growing so that says it all.

We are a force to be reckoned with & will not be losing this war that’s been waged against our children. The great American experiment is over, for the most part. We’ll no longer allow our children to be used as guinea pigs & we’ll educate others until there’s no cover up left.

We are many & our wrath is great & growing as our numbers do.

June 30, 2011 at 3:10 pm
(57) Matt Carey says:


The quotes on the page you link to are not very consistent with what some of the scientists actually believed.

This is attributed to Sabin (noted vaccinologist): “Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection”

Since you don’t just buy everything you read, perhaps you could point me to the original source for this quote so we can read it in context?

Trying to paint Albert Sabin as “A doctor who condemns vaccination” is an absolute falsehood. Plain and simple. Here is a quote from 1986 (similar to the one cited in your link): “more important, we have the ability to control a disease like polio right now”. You can find that in “The Rotarian”, June 1986 if you want the quote in context.

June 30, 2011 at 6:38 pm
(58) Matt Carey says:

“It is propaganda, doctor, as you can begin to see if you are being honest & love children more than money. ”

Pretty harsh condemnation there.

A condemnation without any facts, I will add.

Perhaps we could keep this discussion on a level that avoids the personal attacks?

June 30, 2011 at 12:24 pm
(59) Matt Carey says:

I haven’t seen the paper, perhaps this is discussed there:

What is the mechanism by which the infants are protected? Are they resistant to the influenza virus or are they less likely to be exposed because their mothers (and presumably more people in their families) are vaccinated?

If the infants have immunity, is this due to something prenatal or perhaps a transfer of immunity during breast feeding?

June 30, 2011 at 1:11 pm
(60) Sarah says:

I think there is more to focus on rather than what causes Autism. Truthfully, nobody knows what causes it and many of these movements go about, pulling at straws. If the anti vaccine movement wants an independent study done, why don’t you all ask Jenny McCarthy, the writers of Age of Autism, VINE or some of the others who support the vaccine/Autism connection to pull together and raise money to perform independent studies and get the truth behind what causes Autism Spectrum Disorders? Add in a few researchers that do not agree and actually work together to find these much needed answers. Heck, combined they have the funds to get this done.

Personally, I think if an independent study was done and it proved either the vaccinations did or didn’t cause Autism, that the stance of every individual who has posted in these comments will still stay the same. Those who are in the anti-vaccination movement will still believe it was the vaccines that caused Autism while the pro vaccination groups will still believe that genetics and whatever else is what’s linked to Autism and related conditions.

This debate is going to keep heating up until the we die. That is an obvious fact! All Dr. Iannelli is doing, is basically speaking about a study on the Flu Vaccine during pregnancy and its affect toward unborn children. This does not mean that he is or isn’t paid by pharmaceutical companies. Nobody knows for a fact if he is being paid or not, unless we see physical proof.

By arguing over who is right or wrong, really shows some lack of maturity here. We are all parents of Autistic children here and I get that we all want to help our children succeed in life and to help them overcome each and every challenge that we face. But come on, bickering back and forth over an article is not helping anyone. Instead, each and every one of you are driving a larger wedge in between this community and our kids are the ones who will be affected in the end. That is all I have to say.

June 30, 2011 at 3:22 pm
(61) Autismnewsbeat says:

Sarah, how is asking for evidence for outrageous claims immature?

June 30, 2011 at 3:28 pm
(62) RS says:

Dr Shiv Chopra, former vaccine and drug regulator for Health Canada for nearly forty years points out that vaccination did successfully eradicate smallpox. The possibility of eradicating polio in the same way is open to scientific debate. However he also observes that all the other childhood diseases have been unsuccessfully fought with vaccination campaigns involving millions of children every year. Worst of all, these diseases are appearing with increasing frequency in the very populations that have been vaccinated for several generations. Clearly, something is wrong with these programs, the vaccines themselves, and he finds it alarming that the list of vaccines being administered to young children has been enlarged to include many more viral and bacterial infections with little or no scientific rationale

and Cochrane researcher T. Jefferson observed “vaccines are a business, like any other. The only difference is that governments are co-sponsors with industry … overestimation of the threat by the target diseases, suppression of data on adverse events, and exaggeration of effectiveness are frequent. In the case of population vaccination programs, both governments and industry have conflicts of interest. Beware!”

June 30, 2011 at 8:00 pm
(63) Marsha says:

Part 4 for Dr. Iannelli

I wonder what or who prompted you to do this article, doctor? Will you be so kind to tell us what or who motivated you, exactly?

As for your getting this information from a study here’s the scoop on that;

“No longer possible to believe most clinical research published”


Then, for a mountain of evidence, to the fact, that leaves no room for denial just look at all the proof by looking up, “faked studies and paid doctors to to their names on them” Also look up, “Fraud and peer review”

The science you have bought into has been proven fraud beyond a shadow of a doubt & the real science is on the side of truth & comes in the form of myriads of vaccine damaged children & adults.

As the good doctor Andrew Wakefield said in that ambush of an interview Matt Lauer pulled on him, “We’re not going away. And we will win this war that’s been waged against our children. The greed behind this whole atrocity can take that to the bank. So please choose which side you will stand with wisely, doctor.

Dr. Wakefield has since been vindicated & truth to this matter will continue spreading like a good virus to the public sector.

That frame up against him did more good to wake people & we are very grateful he was willing to sacrifice his career for the love of children. Now that so many are paying attention it won’t be so easy for deception to rule. No more Kangaroo courts, either. Not with the world watching.

Media was quick to drag his good name through the mud with all the bogus propaganda but nary a word of a real criminal. Poul Thorsen.

Look him up, if by chance you don’t know, doctor. He was recently indicted. He ran off with the CDC’s research money & was the head scientist/researcher behind those Danish studies claiming no link between vaccines & autism.

June 30, 2011 at 9:14 pm
(64) Matt Carey says:

“As the good doctor Andrew Wakefield said in that ambush of an interview Matt Lauer pulled on him, “”

Ambush? It’s online. Watch it. It was nothing like an ambush.

Matt Lauer did ask some good questions. Like, whether Andrew Wakefield had a conflict of interest in his vaccine patent.

Andrew Wakefield lied. There is no nice way to put it. Wakefield claimed that his patent was only for a treatment, not a preventative vaccine. The language of the patent is quite clear that a preventative vaccine was being patented.

It has since come out that Mr Wakefield not only had the patent, but he had a business plan in place to commercially develop the vaccine.

Mr. Wakefield didn’t sacrifice himself for anything. Seriously. There isn’t one good piece of medicine or science that he accomplished in his association with autism.

It isn’t just an internet claim that Andrew Wakefield is guilty of ethical misconduct. He was found guilty of multiple charges and stripped of his right to practice medicine in the U.K.

June 30, 2011 at 10:22 pm
(65) Marsha says:

You are wrong on many counts, Matt, here, & in your other comments. I have tried to set the record straight & educate you on the real facts but for some reason my comments are being held up.

Dr. Wakefield was not trying to patent a vaccine. It is discussed in this interview of Dr. Wakefield by Connie Howard on Vue Weekly, reported March 10, 2010;


Concerning the allegation­s that Wakefield had been working for a company making a rival vaccine. He was involved in developing a nutritiona­l immune stimulant they hoped would clear up chronic vaccine-in­duced measles infection. But this, he says, “could in no way have competed with a live viral vaccine and was not intended for that purpose. The patent was owned by the medical school and not by me. It was never progressed­.”

June 30, 2011 at 10:42 pm
(66) Marsha says:

Here’s the follow up I promised on Sharyl Attkisson’s report at the above link. Helen Ratajczak who’s a former senior scientist at a pharmaceutical firm, just blew another whistle as you can see. This time a loud & revealing one.

Please note the following from the article & think of our good doctor Wakefield when you do.

“A number of independent scientists have said they’ve been subjected to orchestrated campaigns to discredit them when their research exposed vaccine safety issues, especially if it veered into the topic of autism. We asked Ratajczak how she came to research the controversial topic. She told us that for years while working in the pharmaceutical industry, she was restricted as to what she was allowed to publish. “I’m retired now,” she told CBS News. “I can write what I want.”

Then, Dr. Brian Strom, who served on Institute of Medicine panels advising the government on vaccine safety was quoted in this article, too. What he says will blow your mind so take note.

He admittedly said he does not even know that certain vaccines contain human DNA?

So I ask you. How can we take seriously the vaccine safety board’s articles & recommendations when their advisors don’t even know the ingredients & manufacturing process?

Oh & here’s one more for the record on this topic you are in denial about, Matt. All the denial in the world can’t change these facts;

“Drug Giant Merck – “Destroy” Critical Doctors “Where They Live”


“Court evidence now available on-line at the University of California library shows drug giant Merck systematically targetted “hit-lists” of doctors to discredit, neutralise or destroy critics of the safety and effectiveness of Merck’s drugs.”

June 30, 2011 at 10:47 pm
(67) Marsha says:

Whoops. I posted the wrong comment here & hope it doesn’t show. It belonged under your comment, Matt, that was;

“Were are we as a society when people accuse a pediatrician of being paid by pharmaceutical interests just because he informs the public about an advantage for vaccines?

Just stop and think about that one.

It really says more about the people making the accusation than the doctor.”

It was follow up to a reply to you that hasn’t posted yet.

When it shows up, I’ll repost the follow up & hope if it appears here in the wrong place that I can cancel it.

June 30, 2011 at 8:12 pm
(68) Matt Carey says:

Were are we as a society when people accuse a pediatrician of being paid by pharmaceutical interests just because he informs the public about an advantage for vaccines?

Just stop and think about that one.

It really says more about the people making the accusation than the doctor.

June 30, 2011 at 10:39 pm
(69) Kat says:

Matt, it is a system that is in dire need of change – the medical professionals and the consumers are a part of that system. There are some strides being made in the last two decades via integrative medicine, however, pharma-advocates are attacking this sub-field of medicine b/c it involves some therapies that do not involve big technology or pharma-ceuticals. Why do you think that is Matt? Why would this happen when top universities and the government started this field of research and practice? The doctors get all the training conventional doctors do in some of the same universities. They just get additional training to come from the wise perspective of integration and not overuse and misuse of pharma-ceuticals. You have to be brilliant, extremely hard-working, and progressive to pursue integrative medicine. So again, I ask, why do you think people are speaking out against it?

July 1, 2011 at 12:30 pm
(70) Matt Carey says:

“however, pharma-advocates are attacking this sub-field of medicine b/c it involves some therapies that do not involve big technology or pharma-ceuticals.”

I think this misrepresents the facts.

Doctors would gladly accept a therapy–if it is proven safe and effective.

Much of “integrative” medicine is neither: neither proven safe nor proven effective.

Much of integrative medicine is based on bad science, bad assumptions of disease and bad assumptions of treatment.

Chelation–great example. Applied to autism based on what was never a good idea and is now clearly wrong.

June 30, 2011 at 10:16 pm
(71) RS says:

Wakefield, Murch and Walker-Smith have never said that MMR causes all autism or that MMR is solely responsible for the rise in autism. It is within national broadcasting and broadsheet journalism that these claims have been made. It was a witch hunt.

Selective Hearing, Brian Deer and the GMC, Dr Andrew Wakefield Autism MMR Film


July 1, 2011 at 12:36 pm
(72) Matt Carey says:

Andrew Wakefield told the public that the MMR was unsafe and should be replaced with a single vaccine.

He did this based on his own fraudulent research and his misunderstanding of medical science.

The man was stripped of his license to practice for his unethical treatment of disabled children in his research efforts.


The fact that people still support Andrew Wakefield, people who are “skeptical” about vaccines, tells me a lot about that movement.

June 30, 2011 at 11:42 pm
(73) Marsha says:

Part 5 & last part for Dr. Iannelli

If you scroll back to January 27th at the following link you will learn the real facts to the orchestrated witch hunt against the good doctor Wakefield.

Also hear the interview on the 25th where the lying Brian Deer actually hung himself as he dodged questions, changed the subjects & made the fool he is out of himself.


July 1, 2011 at 12:33 pm
(74) Matt Carey says:

The facts about Dr. Wakefield are clear. He was a poor scientist who produced fraudulent research while he had hidden conflicts of interest.

Andrew Wakefield has been stripped of his license to practice medicine in the UK (He never held that privilege in the US).


He was struck off not for his stance on vaccines, but because he was unethical in how he handled his research subjects.

July 1, 2011 at 2:02 pm
(75) Marsha says:

Matt. You, evidently, did not even review what I sent you. Shame on you. If you’re not going to do the proper research you have no right to be spewing your ignorance in the matter because it is very dangerous considering the importance that truth be told.

This is our children we’re talking about & you have no horse in this race to safety, OBVIOUISLY!

He was not unethical in how he handled his research subjects. The parents of these children agree & what you are parroting is opinion. Warped opinion, at that. And if you had listened to the investigation by the expert round table, you would know that.

You parroted the bull concerning the mis-information that Wakefield wanted & vaccine patent & were set straight. Why no comment back from you on that one?

Can you even able to admit when you’re wrong?

Please stop repeating the same BS abot Wakefield & let those who have real facts, present them so those who, actually, are looking for truth & willing to do the research, can.

If you’d stop cluttering the board by trying to continue the witch hunt against a great doctor & pay attention you could learn something yourself.

July 1, 2011 at 1:10 pm
(76) RS says:

“Despite mounting scientific evidence worldwide confirming the presence of serious bowel disease in some children diagnosed with autism and evidence of a causal association with vaccines, health officials and medical professionals internationally continue to spin, deny and suppress the evidence,” said NAA president Wendy Fournier. ”This latest attack by the UK medical profession through a journalist, who apparently has no source of income besides stories about Andrew Wakefield, is a continuing denial and failure to investigate either the contrary evidence that exists or the clinical histories of millions of children currently diagnosed with autism worldwide.”


“One in 64 British children and one in 110 children in the US are now diagnosed with autism. ”Increasing rates of autism in children are out of control,” commented Ms. Fournier. ”Despite this pandemic, health officials and medical professionals continue to bury their heads in the sand while children and families suffer. The link between vaccines and the development of autism in susceptible individuals is not going away, because the children are not going away.”

July 1, 2011 at 1:53 pm
(77) Matt Carey says:

Yeah, not one of the autism community’s shining moments. Andrew Wakefield was exposed as a man who not only had performed unethical research (as proven by the GMC), but it was shown that his ethical lapses were even bigger than previously known.

The response–attack the messenger, Brian Deer.

Mr. Deer won the UK equivalent of the Pulitzer prize for his work exposing Andrew Wakefield.

Here’s what the association of british science writers had to say:


“Brian Deer, a journalist who often covers science for The Sunday Times won the ‘special journalist of the year’ prize at The British Press Awards last week (5 April 2011) for his investigative reporting on the MMR vaccine scare – a mission which culminated in the revelation of serious scientific fraud by Andrew Wakefield. The prestigious awards do not have a ‘science journalism’ section, but Deer’s award is effectively for just that – great science journalism.”

But we are supposed to think that Brian Deer, the Press Awards, the Association of British Science Writers, the General Medical Council…they are all assisting the UK medical profession.

Doesn’t make sense. Especially if you read the source information, like the transcripts from the GMC hearing.

July 1, 2011 at 2:11 pm
(78) Marsha says:

Parroting the deception, still, huh? When are you going to take the time to do the real research, Matt. These talking points you keep posting have been effectively debunked & you just keep cluttering the thread so the real facts get buried. Why don’t you sit back & let those with current info have their say for a bit?

July 1, 2011 at 5:24 pm
(79) Marsha says:

As for the measles being discussed earlier in this thread, I’d like Dr. Iannelli, Emily, Matt & everyone interested in the facts to take notice.

Did you good people know…?

“Six Times More Measles Vaccine Adverse Reaction Reports Than Measles Cases in 2011


“Measles cases soar, despite rise in MMR jabs”


July 1, 2011 at 6:00 pm
(80) Vincent Iannelli, MD says:

“Six Times More Measles Vaccine Adverse Reaction Reports Than Measles Cases in 2011″

Speaking of propaganda – making a statement like this, which I have seen reposted and retweeted many places, is the definition of propaganda.

You are selectively presenting ‘facts’ and leaving out the real fact that these two things aren’t really comparable in order to push your anti-vaccine agenda.

There have been over 150 cases of measles in the U.S. so far this year.

Could there have been six times more reports of adverse reactions to the MMR vaccine, which is given to millions of kids each year, than there were cases of measles?

Probably. But even if you consider that vaccine reactions to VAERS are underreported, it is important to keep in mind that VAERS data contains both “coincidental events and those truly caused by vaccines.” They are not all serious side effects either, or at least not all as serious as the symptoms of the 30 to 40% of people with measles who end up hospitalized.

And here are some of those VAERS reports (from a quick review of random case reports from the 2011 data):

*Patient has had a red rash for 4 days. It was first noticed on the right leg. Got shots with PROQUAD and DTAP on Thursday and then the redness and swelling started on Friday and has not spread. He has not had this rash before.
*6 x 9 cm area of erythema, area warm to touch.
*Mother states that Left upper arm became very red, swollen, and warm to touch after receiving vaccines. Mother states that area measured between 9-10 cm. Mother immediately medicated child with Motrin and Benadryl. Mother did notice a decrease in redness and swelling after child received medication. Mother states on 01/11/2011 area is bruised and still slightly red.
*Right upper thigh swollen, red, warm to touch. Child denies pain in the area. Patient has been using BENADRYL.
*Rash on right thigh.
*Right thigh where varicella and MMR given was red. No swelling. Baby acting ok. Waited another 15 minutes. No change in redness. No swelling. No itching. Baby ok.
*Warm firm & red 4″ x 4″.
*Ache all over right arm hot very tired. Had to take pain medicine Rt arm hurt a lot. Felt very heavy & weighed down. Rt arm was also very hard where the shot was given.
*Rt arm swelling and redness which is improving x 24 hours with no treatment needed.
*Diffuse urticarial rash – 10 days post vaccination.

These mostly sound like local site reactions, not some terrible adverse reaction that would be worse than getting the measles.

July 1, 2011 at 9:14 pm
(81) Marsha says:

“Probably. But even if you consider that vaccine reactions to VAERS are underreported, it is important to keep in mind that VAERS data contains both “coincidental events and those truly caused by vaccines.”

You mean, absolutely & what about the many that have fallen through the cracks?

You did see this, right?


Not serious? This is a new project & soon there will be thousands of parents voices added to this approx, 1000.

Do you even know how many girls have died from Gardasil to date? Too many & way too many serious injuries, too.

The greed has recently added our boys to this HPV vaccine experiment/scam even after the developer came out against her own vaccine. Look it up.

We’ve lost our first boy to death, too, doctor. Did you know?

Please pay attention as I will attempt to show you where vaccines have gotten us & as I said before, if you’re one of the honest doctors, you will see the light.

The trade off for having childhood disease, that most always strengthened immune systems, was replaced by epidemics on a scale that’s so massive it now takes 1 in 3 in cancer before age of 65 & 1 in 100 children in neurological disorders called autism. Other toxins & harmful drugs are to blame, too, but vaccines are the catalyst.

Doctors have been trained to blame media, saying there has been no increase. They say cancer & autism have always been prominent but we never noticed until media began reporting it. They also blame the rise in autism on better diagnosis but if that was so, we would have noticed these victims all around us, if they had actually been there all along.

We know this is a lie because we can see with our own eyes how widespread both cancer & autism have become.
We never saw such epidemics years back & the rise has been right in step with the increase in vaccinations through the years.

Next, the proof.

July 1, 2011 at 9:27 pm
(82) Marsha says:

We Are A Nation of Epidemics on a scale of such magnitude that it is unbelievable yet undeniable if properly investigated.

“Studies Show 1 in 100 Kids Have Autism” CBS News Health Watch”
That number is 1 in 58 for our boys as they are more susceptible.


“There is an epidemic of cancer today. One in three Americans will be diagnosed with cancer, often before the age of 65.”


“The Autoimmune Epidemic: Bodies Gone Haywire in a World Out of Balance”


“Chickenpox Vaccine Linked with Shingles Epidemic”


There’s a new study that came out last year & yet they are still giving these toxic jabs>>>

“Chickenpox Vaccine & Death – New US Government Study”


“Epilepsy is a global epidemic”


And they have known vaccines have caused epilepsy for years>>>


“The Asthma Epidemic”


“The allergy epidemic: by 2015 half of us may be carrying one of these”


“America’s Frightening Alzheimer’s Epidemic”


Alzheimer’s is old people’s neurological disorder labeled “autism” & now it’s striking younger people, too>>>

“Young Adults for the Alzheimer’s Association”


To be continued

July 1, 2011 at 9:30 pm
(83) Marsha says:

“Childhood MS: A silent epidemic?”


“How a Continuing Polio Epidemic is being Hidden” The truth about vaccines


“Diabetes epidemic out of control”


“Parkinson’s disease: The silent epidemic”Another neurological disorder


“A Form of chronic epidemic encephalitis simulating the Landouzy-Dejerine type of progressive Muscular Dystrophy”


On & on it goes. Google almost “any disease and epidemic” you can think of & see for yourself.

It’s not rocket science & sooner or later logic has to set in as it’s only common sense to know this rise in epidemics has been right in step with the ridiculous increase in vaccines through the years.

July 1, 2011 at 6:20 pm
(84) Vincent Iannelli, MD says:

“Measles cases soar, despite rise in MMR jabs”

What is your point, and besides a link to an article with a sensationalistic headline that really doesn’t say anything, can you support it?

After falling to 80-81% per cent in 2002-04 uptake of the MMR vaccine in the UK, for children reaching their second birthday, increased steadily to 85% in 2006-07 and had remained at 85% in 2007-08. It increased to 89% in 2010 and 90% in 2011.

The vaccination numbers are rising in response to their outbreaks, but are still too low to keep measles in check.

And if measles cases are really soaring despite a rise in MMR jabs, then why are there fewer cases this year (496 cases) than in 2008 (1348 cases) in the UK? I doubt it is because the year isn’t over yet, as measles cases usually peak in June and July.

July 1, 2011 at 9:35 pm
(85) Marsha says:

Doctor, do you even know that measles is normally a condition that children with healthy immune systems are well able to get through? You have been severely brainwashed & if you’ve been reviewing what people have been sending you, you should be soon waking up. I’m done here. Good luck to you. You’re going to need it because as our numbers grow, so does our wrath. And we will be holding accountable those in the know who push vaccines on little children

July 1, 2011 at 8:45 pm
(86) Marsha says:

I don’t want this to be buried in the thread so I’m replying to Matt here so people don’t miss the important content in this message. Especially, I want Dr. Iannelli to see it.

Matt wrote;

“It is propaganda, doctor, as you can begin to see if you are being honest & love children more than money. ”

Pretty harsh condemnation there.

A condemnation without any facts, I will add.

Perhaps we could keep this discussion on a level that avoids the personal attacks?”

My reply;

BS, Matt. And please show me where I made a personal attack in this thread. If I did, I will apologize so please show me.

This is not a personal attack as you want people to beLIEve, Matt;

“It is propaganda, doctor, as you can begin to see if you are being honest & love children more than money. ”

Dr. Iannelli is seeing lots of fact & evidence he should have looked into by now so what I said is reasonable & factual.

We can only hope he’s taking it all in & seriously reviewing all the overwhelming & undeniable proof we’ve given him.

Each day more doctors wake up & maybe he’ll be the next.

Please see this from the Center For Advanced Medicine And Clinical Research, where a growing body of scientists, doctors & members of Congress are said to be challenging the claim that there’s no link between vaccines & autism;


Not that mercury is the only toxin in vaccines, either, as many have very good reason to believe.

Don’t miss the revealing video at the bottom of the page. This is just one of many investigative reports by Sharyl Attkisson from CBS.

It’s said there that the CDC may become the Enron of the vaccine industry. Many know it already is & I’m with them.

Take note as you hear one of the doctors in this news clip say the day he read the report he was ashamed to be a doctor.

July 3, 2011 at 6:33 pm
(87) Marsha says:

Just checking back to collect a couple of my posts here to share with others & notice the tail end of my post didn’t come through. I may have forgotten to add it. It’s important to note the doctor from the FDA & how she hung them when the show down took place. I felt it important to add as this is a very important tell the the matter.

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