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Mr Vincent Iannelli,

This article sounds like it was created by one of the hired spin doctors.

Anybody following autism, or one of the other neglected and marginalized illnesses by the CDC knows better when they see the SPIN.

Dr. Ianelli,

There are many parents commenting on this post who have yet to find answers or treatment for the complex challenges of their children with autism. Those parents are hurt and frightened, they are exhausted and isolated.

Unfortunately, they have become vulnerable to autism misinformation and conspiracy theories, and have been encouraged to direct their resulting anger at anyone who publicly contradicts their beliefs.

I wish they could channel all that energy into positive supports for their children and legitimate autism research, and focus instead on how much our community members have in common.

In the meantime, please know that the neither the number of negative comments in this space nor the tenacity of some of the commenters represents the attitude of most autism community members. Most of us look to legitimate science for answers when needed, but put the bulk of our energies into supporting our loved ones with autism on a day-to-day basis. And we wince when we see invective and character assassination used by fringe community members who claim to speak for us all.

@ Shannon Des Roches Rosa

So, who do you represent?

A parent with an Autistic child or the medical field?

I am a mum with a 9 year old, Autistic, non-verbal and definitely vaccine injured boy. I saw his health deteriorate and none of the four paediatricians I visited over several years could help.

Do you understand why mum’s become angry!

We cannot get answers from the “so-called” Autism experts ie- paediatricians or anyone else in the medical field.

In the meantime, I am putting the bulk of my energy into loving and supporting my son, whilst repairing the damage that the vaccines have done to him.

Thank you, Shannon, for reminding the community that a majority of parents with children with autism are looking for positive models for hope, rather than negative.

“Those parents are hurt and frightened, they are exhausted and isolated.” Please, save the pathologizing and patronizing rhetoric. Environmental autism parents think pediatrcians are “hurt and frightened” that they’re being held responsible for expediting one of the worst medical disasters in history. We’re concerned that they’re being blinded, intimidated or culled by misinformation, audits and kickbacks from the industry sponsored AAP.

“I wish they could channel all that energy into positive supports for their children.” You mean pull up the ladder behind us once we “get ours” and not worry our little heads about the 40,000+ children being diagnosed every year and the coming-of-age population which will be displaced for services, funding and public interest by each new “crop”?

Dear Shannon Des Roches Rosa,
I am a rational, educated parent who is neither hurt, frightened, exhausted (though kind of tired), nor isolated. I expend the bulk of my energy supporting my loved ones with (and without) autism on a day-to-day basis. In the lengthy debate below, I support the comments of Ginger Taylor, Katie Wright, nhokkanen, amdachel. I agree with Mark that Dr. Iannelli’s article is pure spin.

@Shannon Des Roches Rosa:
You wrote “There are many parents commenting on this post who have yet to find answers or treatment for the complex challenges of their children with autism. Those parents are hurt and frightened, they are exhausted and isolated.”

Correction: There are many parents commenting on this post who have had, or whose children have had MEDICALLY DOCUMENTED SEVERE ADVERSE REACTIONS TO VACCINES. Some of these reactions, such as encephalopathy, include symptoms of autism.

Calling parents “conspiracy theorists” does not in any way contradict the proven ethical misconduct of the entire vaccine industry, and those who support it.

Contrary to your assertion, we HAVE found answers. You just don’t like the answer.

There are more and more children who have severe reactions to vaccines–and those reactions are finally being recognized, by doctors, and by the general public. Those reactions cannot be swept under the rug and hidden any longer.

Attempting to demean the perspective of the parents by implying that they are too vulnerable to think straight, and attempting to characterize legitimate facts as “autism misinformation” and “conspiracy theories” is simply an ad hominem attack.

Yes, parents of vaccine-injured children are hurt, frightened, and exhausted. But this is not proof that vaccines did not in fact injure their children. It is not proof that vaccines did not in fact cause or trigger autism.

Speak for yourself . . . and if you are speaking on behalf of “most autism community members” please be specific. Which groups? Which members?

It’s not just about autism for me . . . I’m concerned about extreme food sensitivity, learning disabilities, and the increasing numbers of Type-1 diabetes in children.

I have yet to get any viable answers from my pediatrician whom I like personally. All the progress that we have made with our child has been with an integrative MD.

If I had it to do over again I wouldn’t go anywhere near a ped’s office with my children.

@Shannon Des Roches Rosa

My daughter got the hepB shot at a few hours old, went into constant, inconsolable screaming syndrome eighteen hours a day, all day, all night, for nearly a week, prima facie evidence of encephalitis, confirmed when she was diagnosed with autism at twenty months. What is it that you find unconvincing about this picture? But no authority will admit that this was what happened, we get no help, no support. What can you do to help an eleven-year old child who cannot follow any narrative or converse with anyone? She’s too old for ABA, which only addresses behavior deficits, not cognitive ones. Her speech therapy and reading comprehension classes at school have made little or no discernible difference, and I am obviously very worried about her future. It would be MUCH wiser to simply discontinue the hepB vaccine program for babies and children, and avoid these problems for thousands of other families in the future.

The question “do vaccines cause autistic conditions” was answered in 2008 when New York journalist David Kirby broke the Hannah Poling story in the USA [see full article here]. Hannah developed an autistic condition after 9 vaccines administered the same day. If you read nothing else we strongly recommend you read this: PDF Download – Text of 5 May 2008 email from US Health Resources Services Administration to Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News]. In the email the US Health Resources Services Administration [HRSA] state to CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkission

We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures.”

Under the media spotlight numerous US health officials and agencies conceded on broadcast US nationwide TV news from CBS and CNN. Full details with links to the original sources can be found in this CHS article: Vaccination Causes Autism – Say US Government & Merck’s Director of Vaccines.

Hi CHS,

Isn’t sad that on top of everything the families have to deal with, there is still BS like the link you provided?

Anyone that invests 30secs can’t help but figure out that many conditions cause some of the symptoms of autism–but they aren’t autism.

At least this it is mostly harmless BS.

W&N

Mark,
were you being deliberately rude when you referred to Dr Ianelli as “Mr”? Similarly, was the reference to “hired spin doctors” another gratuitous insult or do you have evidence that Dr Ianelli’s article is not the honest account of a paediatrician?

Dr Ianelli said

“It may be that Dr. Buie simply found and treated a previous overlooked common GI condition that all kids can have, whether or not they have autism.

Even the ‘nodular lymphoid hyperplasia’ that was was mentioned in the episode is said to be ‘present in children with typical development, as well as children with food allergies and immunodeficiencies,’ so it is not clear what it really means.”

Coincidentally though some 14 years ago John Walker-Smith the UK’s top paediatric gastroenterologist and his world renowned team at Royal Free began to investigate independently Autism and GI this what they found.

Autism, inflammato­­ry bowel disease, and MMR vaccine
Simon Murch Mike Thomson John Walker-Smi­­th

“First, this mucosal abnormalit­­y has been apparent in 47/50 children within the autistic spectrum, whether or not there is any perceived link with immunisati­­on. Thus the lymphoid hyperplasi­­a/ microscopi­­c colitis changes were found in over 90% of the autistic children studied.”

Take home message -

* Found in over 90% of the autistic children studied.

Real Science,

Wouldn’t these be the kids who the expert pathologist determined didn’t have the syndrome?

Who Wakefield then fired as a collaborator, changed the diagnosis and whose clinical samples were then all “lost” preventing anyone else from verifying the diagnosis?

It has been more than a decade, surely you can find someone else that has confirmed this?

With apparently 90% occurrence, it must be really, really easy for others to find. It it is true.

W&N

Shame on Dr, Iannelli for being so quick to dismiss Alison’s concerns about her son’s descent into autism and chronic illness.
Rather than speaking to this mother Iannelli relies on the opinions of a vaccine maker and multi million dollar vaccine patent owner with NO clinical expertise in autism? This researcher with all the financial conflicts of interests imaginable knows better than millions of parents- who have zero to gain from telling the truth.

That is exactly a parent’s worst nightmare when taking their ASD child to the doctor. He knows, not from experience, and not from those w/ experience that a child did not regress, did not have an adverse vaccination reaction and that the child’s GI disease is yet another astounding coincidence in this chain of events.

The arrogance of Iannelli is almost palatable. Try reading “Changing the Course of Autism” by Dr. Bryan Jepson. He is an actual practicing doctor and the father of 2 boys w/ ASD. You will actually learn something about autism in this book.

“Shame on Dr, Iannelli for being so quick to dismiss Alison’s concerns about her son’s descent into autism and chronic illness.”

I didn’t dismiss or attack her for her beliefs.

I said that ‘The fact that Nick’s mother thinks that the MMR vaccine was the cause of his autism shouldn’t be a surprise to many people…’

Why shouldn’t it be a surprise? Because a lot of people continue to hold those beliefs.

Some of the people who hold those beliefs include the Department of Health and Human Services, Health Resources Services Administration, Vaccine Injury Compensation Program and the Centers for Disease Control.

HHS has been paying autism cases from the federal VICP for 20 years. When the Polings when public with their case, Julie Gerberding went on CNN and said that vaccines can cause autism in children with undiagnosed, asymptomatic mitochondrial dysfunction. Then HRSA released the following statement in 2009:

From: Bowman, David (HRSA) [mailto:DBowman@hrsa.gov]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:22 PM
To: ‘dkirby@nyc.rr.com’
Subject: HRSA Statement

David,

In response to your most recent inquiry, HRSA has the following
statement:

The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to
compensate, any case based on a determination that autism was actually
caused by vaccines. We have compensated cases in which children
exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy
may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms
including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures.

Some children who have been compensated for vaccine injuries may have
shown signs of autism before the decision to compensate, or may
ultimately end up with autism or autistic symptoms, but we do not track
cases on this basis.

Regards,

David Bowman
Office of Communications
Health Resources and Services Administration
301-443-3376

So yes…. many people continue to hold those beliefs, because the federal government has told them that vaccines (including MMR) can cause autism.

Now I’m wondering……. Why did you say, “The fact that Nick’s mother thinks that the MMR vaccine was the cause….”?

What Alison said was that Nick got the MMR, DTaP and Hib all in one day and regressed. Later Dr. Buie said he found lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia in Nick’s intestine.

Did you put that all together and come up with MMR??????

I’d be interested to know … sincerely … what you would do if a patient and parent came into your offices and said “I believe my son has autism and I believe it was caused by a vaccine shot”.

What would you do if the mother said it was another medication ? Say promethazine / Phenergan.

It is a surprise that you would cite a book by a vaccine maker as your source of information on vaccine safety. Why don’t we all do own tax audits while we are at it?

As a pediatrician you should be listening to parents rather than pharmaceutical makers. You have seen how much these families suffer- try getting to know them and learning something about autism.

Dr. Offit is not a vaccine maker. That’s just Katie Wright spreading more fear, uncertainty and doubt.

As a pediatrician, Dr. Iannelli listens to parents and what best available science tells him. That’s what separates informed comment from the anti-vaccine crowd.

Virginia,
The CJ Communications you are referring to is based out of New York. Ken’s city of residence is publicly known, so it shouldn’t be difficult to find it.

It seems like it would be quite a bit of a commute each morning for him…

Dr. Iannelli is quick to focus on the charge that vaccines cause autism, claiming that Nick’s mother blames the MMR vaccine. The truth is, Robert MacNeil’s grandson received seven vaccines in a single doctor’s visit. They included the MMR, the DTaP, and the Hib vaccine. After that visit, Alison said her son went backward, eventually being diagnosed with autism.

Iannelli believes that there’s “no scientifically valid evidence that vaccines cause autism.” The truth is, there are mounting studies raising serious concerns about vaccine safety. What we constantly hear about from doctors are the official studies all tied to the vaccine makers, some even done by the industry.

Iannelli must have missed the part where Robert MacNeil calls autism “a national health emergency.” One percent of U.S. children now have a disorder most people never heard about 25 years ago. That includes almost 2 percent of boys. Doctors and health officials don’t have a clue what is causing this epidemic. They only thing they’re adamant about is that their vaccines aren’t at fault.

When are doctors going express the same concern about autism that they do for defending the vaccine program?

Anne Dachel
Media editor: Age of Autism

“Iannelli believes that there’s “no scientifically valid evidence that vaccines cause autism.””

I do believe that, but that quote actually is something that Alison MacNeil’s father says in the show.

Robert MacNeil said: “I understand Alison’s suspicion, but public health authorities say there is no scientifically valid evidence that vaccines cause autism.”

“When are doctors going express the same concern about autism that they do for defending the vaccine program?”

Just because doctors think the research doesn’t show that autism is caused by vaccines doesn’t mean that they are not concerned about autism. I am very concerned about autism, which is one of the reasons I am promoting the Autism Now show, even though there could be negative consequences with her being against vaccines. Would you do the same with a show on autism that defended vaccines?

Well… here are 49 research papers, from places like Harvard and Hopkins and NIH, which support the vaccine/autism causation theory. So do public health officials just believe these don’t exist? Or are all of the “scientifically invalid”?

http://adventuresinautism.com/images/MaineLegislature/7Evidencethatvaccinescancauseautism.doc

Doctor, you have to understand that people can get on the internet, go to pub med and read this research for themselves. How long do you think yelling the name “Wakefield!” was going to work? Vaccines have been linked to autism since the first paper on autism was published in 1943 and Kanner documented that one of the first 11 cases ever discovered in the 1930s was a regression following a smallpox vaccine.

You remain in denial of the damage the vaccine program is doing… in light of this readily available evidence, do you expect parents will just sit there right with you while their kids fall off a cliff?

The AAP is becoming obselete.

Wise pediatricians… rise up and take back your profession from men like this.

Dr. Iannelli, I’m curious why no one in the medical community is out there publicly demanding a comparison study of fully vaccinated and never vaccinated children to see if never vaccinated kids also have a one percent autism rate. There are thousands of parents too scared to vaccinate their children, so the study group is there.

Members of the autism community have called for such research for years. Why hasn’t it been done?
Without it, the medical community has no real proof.

Anne Dachel
Media editor: Age of Autism

Doctor are concerned??

I’ve yet to read where anyone from the AAP or the CDC ever calls autism a crisis.

Countless doctors and health officials STILL PRETEND THAT
THIS EPIDEMIC IS THE RESULT OF BETTER DIAGNOSING.

Little has changed from mainstream medicine in the last 20 years regarding autism–only a continuous chorus of
“Studies show no link.”

Anne Dachel, Age of Autism

Dr. Iannelli,

On June 4th 2008 I attended a rally in Washington DC-The Green Our Vaccines Rally. The American Academy of Pediatrics cared so little about our rally and why we were gathering in our Nation’s Capitol they couldn’t even be bothered to send a representative. Instead, they sent one copy of their Autism Toolkit….like salt in a wound.

The AAP does not care about children with autism. Your words ring hollow of your concerns. The AAP only cares about vaccination rates and profits. I’m quite certain this is the case.

ADBAC is no longer used around babies because it has been linked to autism. Anyone who has had to use preservative free eye drops or nose sprays is sensitive to ADBAC. ADBAC was approved by the FDA for use around foods. The USDA approved the use of ADBAC on meat carcasses and processing equipment. It is not labeled on the foods.

I am allergic to quaternary ammonia, benzalkonium chloride, ie ADBAC. If I use eye drops or nose spray with it, I get red eyes with dilated pupils. If I am exposed to it as a vapor, I get pneumonia. When I eat food contaminated with it, I get blisters in my mouth and throat, difficulty swallowing, slowed digestion, muscle jerks, confusion, etc.

I cannot eat at most restaurants now because they use it to disinfect their equipment. I cannot eat at delis, I cannot meat from most stores. I have to buy my meat from an old style butcher. I have to avoid packaged foods because sometimes something in it is more “sterilized” than the others.

Autism has increased since ADBAC has been allowed in the food supply. Some areas of the country use ADBAC more heavily than others. One store has ADBAC wipes when you come in. I can’t buy organic produce from there because within a day, fingerprint slimy spots develop on the produce from where people touched it with disinfected fingers.

Dr. Iannelli presents himself as a successful, practicing pediatrician .. who has substantial experience treating children where many children present with the same gastrointestinal problems as were Nick’s. So .. it would appear .. he feels himself professionally competent to dismiss Nick’s mom’s suspicion that Nick’s problems may have been “caused” by the multiple vaccines he received.

I would be interested to know if Dr. Inannelli .. who in all likelihood has adminstered tens of thousands of vaccines over his successful career .. has ever “reported” that a patient of his suffered an “adverse reaction” to the multiple vaccines he administered .. or .. does his “faith” in vaccines preclude him automatically from making such reports?

Unfortunately, it would not surprise me if Dr. Iannelli has never reported an “adverse reaction” to a vaccine HE administered .. because it is estimated that less than 10% of such reports are filed by pediatricians.

The failure to report adverse reactions is a problem that must be ended by making such reports MANDATORY when events meet standard for doing so.

After all, the Supreme Court ruled that ALL vaccines are “unavoidable safe” .. so any doctor who has NEVER VOLUNTARILY reported an adverse reaction event seems less than a reliable source.

“so any doctor who has NEVER VOLUNTARILY reported an adverse reaction event seems less than a reliable source.”

It almost seems like that there is a good point in there, but it also seems hard to think that someone who makes anonymous comments about such an important topic could be relied on to make a good point.

Then I will make it again, non-anonymously.

The 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act requires you to report all vaccine injuries. How many have you reported in your career, and how long have you been practicing?

The Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, established by that 1986 law lists “encephalopathy” (brain damage) as an adverse outcome of both MMR and DTaP. http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/table.htm The symptoms of that encephalopathy are listed as merely:

1. Loss of eye contact
2. Doesn’t respond to much except for loud shouts
3. Does not seem to recognize familiar people, seems detached.

That is a description of a child regressing into autism. That is a description of my child following his DTaP, however for displaying these symptoms, he was diagnosed with “autism” and never evaluated for a vaccine injury.

(Note that this encephalopathy is often accompanied by seizures, and approximately a third of those diagnosed with autism have seizures)

So…. when you see a case that looks like this, do you diagnose “vaccine encephalopathy” or do you slap an “autism” label on them, declare no known cause or cure, and allow the child’s brain inflammation and accompanying medical issues to remain uninvestigated, untreated and continuing to do damage to the child?

If so, why did you become a pediatrician in the first place?

My name is Bob Moffitt .. I am the proud grandfather of a lovable eleven year old .. nonverbal boy … who “regressed” eight plus years ago.

I am also the parent of a daughter .. now a mom to three of my five grandchildren .. who was diagnosed with ITP forty years ago when she was 4 years of age .. causing a surgical removal of her spleen.

Because of my GRANDSON’S “regression” .. I began research regarding vaccines and discovered .. ALL THESE YEARS LATER .. THAT MY DAUGHTER’S ITP WAS MORE THAN LIKELY CAUSED BY VACCINES SHE HAD RECEIVED AS A FOUR YEAR OLD CHILD.

NOT ONE DOCTOR .. AMONG THE MANY WE CONSULTED WITH DURING MONTHS OF HER HOSPITAL CARE .. DARED MENTION VACCINES MAY HAVE CAUSED HER ITP. INSTEAD .. THE ONLY WORD I REMEMBER DOCTORS USING .. OVER AND OVER AGAIN .. WAS THE WORD “BIZARRE”.

Yes .. I GUARANTEE YOU NOT ONE OF MY DAUGHTER’S DOCTORS REPORTED A POSSIBLE ADVERSE REACTION TO A VACCINE WAS LIKELY RESPONSIBLE FOR HER ITP.

Any other questions about my name you want to know????

Frankly, I’m beginning to feel quite pleased when I see posts like this one Vincent Iannelli, AAP Council on Communications and Media.

As the truth becomes clearer and clearer to an informed and educated general public, I think the protestations of “doctors” like Iannelli help to make clear to people the indisputable fact that the American Academy of Pediatrics has shown itself and it’s cult of followers to be absolutely OBSOLETE, if the aim is the preservation and protection of children’s health.

In my more generous moments – which do not come often – I pity these people who must come to terms with the role they have and are continuing to play in the devastation and torture of children and their families. One does not set about the arduous and expensive quest to become a children’s physician with anything but the most conscientious of motives. However, the co-option of medical education – both initial and continuing -by pharmaceutical interests, has resulted in the utter destruction of mainstream pediatric medicine.

Perhaps someday, people like Iannelli will realize they, too, have been defrauded – by a medical education, modeled on a military boot-camp, that has done great violence to their intellectual curiosity and capacity for independent thought.

Let us just hope that, with the acceleration of information, we will not have to wait until this generation of “pediatricians” and public health officials are dead (Thomas Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions) before the orchestrators of this nightmare can be swept away and a new era of “First Do No Harm” can begin for the children of the world.

“Frankly, I’m beginning to feel quite pleased when I see posts like this one Vincent Iannelli, AAP Council on Communications and Media. ”

Being on the AAP Council on Communications and Media doesn’t mean that I speak for the American Academy of Pediatrics.

A new supplement to the journal Pediatrics that came out today does though:

Vaccines – Attitudes and Information from AAP Vaccine Supplement

Your Honor, I rest my case.

Notice that it has been YEARS since the AAP has put themselves in a position that they actually had to answer questions and be accountable for their absurd position that vaccines don’t cause autism? Even when their spokesmen step out into the world where the public can question them, they have to slap a “not talking for AAP” disclaimer on.

Note the highly qualified language that is being used?

Once upon a time the line was, “No evidence of any link.” Then it changed to “no convincing evidence of any link.” (because now there is a truck load of evidence, so AAP merely has decided not to be convinced by it) Now it is “No scientifically valid evidence of any link” (not sure how they just declare the whole body of evidence “scientifically invalid” though.)

Soon you will be reading statements like, “There is no convincing, scientifically valid evidence that vaccines have a causal link to autism, published in a peer reviewed journal, on a tuesday in a month ending with a “Y”, under a full moon during the molting season of the Cicada in its 17 year cycle.

I hold my pediatrician 100% responsible for advising
“catch up” shots that immediately plunged my child into a silent dangerous Autistic state, all loaded with Mercury.
I find the AAP disgusting and I will never ever trust you with my babies again.
Your babble, no matter how you spin it, holds no water. Parents still call me, unsolicited, to weigh in on vaccinating their child. I am not a medical doctor – I am a mother of a child diagnosed with Autism! Confidence is lost. Own the fact that you pushed this awful, bloated, toxic schedule on us.

Shame on Dr. Iannelli for attempting to minimize and or dismiss Alison MacNeil’s belief that vaccines contributed to her son’s regression. We are always told about how doctors treated children w/ measles and what they saw in the ER.

Now I want to ask you something Dr. Iannelli. Were you in the car on the way home from the pediatrician? Were you up all night giving your baby ice baths due to the 103 degree fever that lasted all night, post MMR. Did you call your pediatrician 3x that night only to be told that this reaction “was normal.” Did your pediatrician fail to report all of these adverse vaccines reactions to VAERS? Dr. Iannelli were you in my home or Alison’s home when our children’s home when the diarrhea and rashes began days after the MMR? Finally I don’t recall seeing you in my home when my son stopped recognizing me.

You personify the very arrogance and dismissive attitude that parents of ASD fear when going to a pediatrician.

Dr. Iannelli doesn’t seem to recognize that the turning point has come when his snarky dismissal of the thousands of families suffering vaccine damage is no longer going to be taken seriously. My baby was damaged by the hep-B vaccine given to her at the hospital within hours of birth. It set off screaming syndrome when she was four days old, she screamed endlessly all day and all night, I rocked her and sang to her, tried to nurse her, and thought it was beyond all reason that she should scream literally all night, night after night, at least eighteen hours a day. It was vaccine-induced encephalitis, and she is autistic now. This is real, and it is an experience shared by hundreds of thousands of families. The vaccines are now causing much more death and permanent disability than the natural diseases would.

Cynthia,

My Chandler’s first hit was his Heb B shot as well. Born 4 weeks early, he got it a week before his due date and exactly three days later (like yours) the screaming started. Doc called it “colic.” Then the nearly daily fevers. Doc said if he does not have a runny nose or any other symptoms, then just give him Tylanol…. some babies born early just have trouble controlling their body temp. That went on for three months.

The consitpation that stared with that shot lasted for two years. “Some babies are just like that.” My doc said.

Then at 18 months, after his FOURTH Hep B (bad record keeping) along with DTaP, HIB, Polio and Pnumo, he stopped talking, stop answering to his name, and the behavior started popping up. Diagnosis “Autism”.

I took the Hep B package insert in to my well respected ped and wanted to know, “If Hep B vaccine can cause Guilliam Barre, an autoimmune disorder where the immune system attacks the central nervous system, they why can’t it cause Autism, an autoimmune disorder where the immune system attacks the central nervous system?”

He had no answer and said he just does what the AAP tells him. I asked where to get an answer for my questions. He said, “Go to the AAP”.

And I discovered very early that AAP does not answer these questions to parents like me, and docs don’t dare ask them, or suffer consiquences.

Oh… and Dr. I,

That diet, the one that Offit claims is “false hope” in his book about autism treatments that he is not even qualified to write about?

After 48 hours on the GFCF diet, he began making eye contact, answering to his name and had his first normal bowel movements in two years.

He is now nine, mainstreamed in school with an aid, and while he still has “autism” he has gone from severe to the top of the diagnostic range.

Because we chose to ignore that ped when he said (after I very excitedly told him what amazing things the diet was doing) that he didn’t think the diet worked. And after he blew off the fact that the FIRST day we chelated him, he looked me in the eye and called me “Mommy” for the first time since his regression ten months earlier.

After that, we went to him with a broken arm, or strep, but I knew what he had to say about my son’s health was idiotic with in three months of my son’s diagnosis.

Do you know that you are killing your own profession?

Rather than chastising commenters for posting anonymously, Dr. Iannelli might simply give credit for bravery to the individuals who post with their actual names in today’s inquisitorial environment. I mean “inquisitorial” in every sense of the word.
Let’s talk about why people post anonymously and who the real cowards are. My husband was laid off two days after someone accidentally sent him an update on a vaccine injury claim at a work email address. Anyone who’s heard of cases like the Godboldos in Michigan, the Tseglins in California, the “Arizona Five” and countless other unpublicized cases knows that families who associate their children’s injuries with vaccines or environment– or who merely attempt to take charge of treatment in ways which stray from mainstream recommendations of toxic and deadly drugs– take the risk of losing their children to state authorities which are themselves “captured” by the pharmaceutical industry.
Dr. Iannelli’s “side” has enforcers and currently the AAP via embedded media is calling for eradication of vaccine exemptions, which would make consumers effectively captive even to vaccine adverse event risks deemed “avoidable” by the recent SC decision. If Dr. Iannelli wants consumers to speak up as themselves, then he and his profession should come out from behind unprecedented vaccine tort protections; accept firewalls between industry and medical authority, state health regulatory bodies, child protection agencies; give up industry speaking fees and kickbacks.
“Scientism” which demands unquestioning faith and loyalty, a view of itself as infallible and places itself above the law is no different than any abusive religious rule. All parents are demanding is separation of church and state in this instance and that doctors give up the posture of “priests of public health”. In the meantime, until the “inquisition” is over, the parents who come forward should be viewed as shining examples of courage under fire.

What ever happened to the “Arizona Five?” Wakefield said the anti-vax movement was going to hold a giant rally for those kids last December. He called it a “Rosa Parks moment” for the anti-vaccine movement. I called the state attorney general’s office in Arizona and asked about the case. Nobody I spoke with had heard of it.

Reibel, the issue is safety of children. All this “anti-vaccine” rhetoric is just label-libel.

Measles is nowhere as serious as autism now is.

“ROBERT MACNEIL: Autism now affects more American children than childhood cancer, diabetes and AIDS combined.”

You could never say that about measles.

“Vaccines. Know the risks.”

I think Dr Iannelli recognises very well the point of no return for vaccine safety assurances. Why should parents accept the word of medical/government authorities regarding vaccine safety when they turn a blind eye to their responsibilities to children. Those that defend vaccines and those that advocate increasing numbers of vaccines given to children are never held accountable when vaccines cause brain damage and death. And as long as they do not conduct the right kind of scientific study – vaccinated children versus unvaccinated children – they can continue to say ‘there is no scientific evidence’.

Why should the government be responsible for your children?
The same people that say things like this cry even harder when their taxes keep going up.

The time for this reflexive “measles is coming back” fear-mongering has long since passed, and everyone but the pediatricians seems to know it. If you want to affix blame for measles outbreaks, take a look in the mirror. PBS didn’t start this fire, and neither did parents. The doctors unquestioningly injecting babies did. If measles or any other disease makes a comeback, the blame can be laid squarely at the clay feet of the FDA, CDC, HHS and AAP, and the doctors who have blindly trusted them for far too long. They are the ones who have utterly failed in their oversight of vaccine safety, who have chosen cover-ups over science and industry over babies, who readily approve and recommend and administer every single *unavoidably unsafe* vaccine that liability-immune manufacturers can dream up no matter how contaminated or toxic or unnecessary, who seal records of vaccine injury compensation, who fail to educate doctors about vaccine injury, who choose to vilify and intimidate parents instead of addressing their valid health concerns, and who pretend to be perplexed and then pass the buck when something goes wrong. The medical establishment has squandered its authority by criminally, willfully ignoring the problem, disingenuously blaming genetics in the hopes it would all just go away somehow. Now the “autism” problem’s dimensions are exponentially larger and more serious than they would have been if people like you had paid attention back when people like us asked you to. It’s only going to get worse unless something is done NOW. Your profession must make a choice — either get informed and stand up for your patients or openly admit that you view our kids as acceptable collateral damage. To quote The Untouchables, “What are you prepared to DO?”

Right on, Garbosmed

Well said Garbosmed.

I think we’d all sleep easier if vaccine manufacturers and health authorities used some of that so called transparency and published clinical trial results…particularly those around the 80’s and 90’s.

Following my expeerience with my 2 grandsons and autism–I could never ever say itw asn’t vaccines that put them on the spectrum. It was their infant and toddler vaccines. The oldest(now 13) was diagnosed with autism at 2 and a half years. I went to the international NVIC conference right after that and decided never to vaccinate him again or his then 4 month old brother. As the result of the younger one’s vaccines through 4 months he too became ill and was diagnosed on the spectrum at age 13 months. Howeever, because he had so many fewer vaccines than his older brother, I was able to recover him from autism before he turned five. I am still trying to recover his older brother. The doctor doesn’t stand a chance on these comments because all of my brilliant friends on this blog are just that–brilliant
maurine Meleck SC

this article makes me ill. my son was saying words as big as “nutri-grain bars” at age 1 before a vaccine cocktail…then my child was replaced with a new one who didnt speak laugh or give eye contact. i have video to prove it!..and at that time i didnt have internet and had never heard of dr wakefield or anyone elses opinions on vaccines and autism. you are a fool Dr. Iannelli and your little article wont grant your children and family immunity to vaccines….be your own advocate people!!! drs DO NOT know everything. they too are human and make mistakes. you should trust the ones who have the most experience with autism…the asd parents have more than these pediatricians and other drs

Dr. Iannelli, Thank you for your attention to these comments. That is VERY rare among those who simply claim “vaccines are safe” ans ask you to stick out their kids’ arms for profit. Will you agree that we are facing a national health crisis with the autism epidemic? Will you agree that vaccines cause at least some of the autism. Prof. Sir Michael Rutter reported on a case of DPT-caused autism in his 1994 article on the biological basis of autism, years before Wakefield reported out his CASE SERIES (not a “study”) identifying a novel bowel disease following behavioral regression, now taken as common. Vaccine Court and the Government have been compensating cases of vaccine-caused autsim since 1990 based on EVIDENCE and EXPERT testimony. The Vaccine Court only started to deny recovery once the epidemic really got rolling and the Justice Department accused the special masters of killing kids if they compensated any more cases. As for the 1998 Wiebel article on encepathology in the compensation program, the “cases” he counts are a huge and unknown undercount because so few even know of the program or even file claims in the face of the manic and false denials by the Government of any “evidence” of association. Why does AAP focus on “communications” when nobody knows the true safety risks due to the Government’s policy of deliberate ignorance, rather than lead a Safety First campaign? It’s perfectly ok to seek to eliminate serious harm from infection but AAP must make at least an equal commitment to eliminate VAE’s – based on careful science and not on progaganda.

All I had to do was get to the point where Ianelli claims Dr Wakefield’s paper on the MMR, autism and enterocolitis was falsified to realize he is just another paid shill

Dr Wakefield et al 1998 is a landmark, and not for what it proved because it didn’t prove anything and it so states in the paper. It is a landmark for raising the question of vaccine safety and for how it shows how much lying and persecution regulators, drug makers, doctors, govt officials will do to protect vaccine and pharmaceutical profits

How you stand today on this issue will mark you forever. Stop hurting kids, start the healing process and the compensation to tens of thousands (and their families) who have been suffering uncompensated, uninsurable and abandoned by the media, medicine and society in general.

Michael Polidori

Doctor Iannelli,
Can you please tell me where I can find a
copy of the APAs mandatory reporting
guidelines for all pediatric practioners?
Can you tell me what the consequences are
for practioners who do not report adverse
reactions?
It is almost pathetic at this point that you
and your esteemed colleagues continue
to deny what you have not even seen.
Were you hiding in my dashboard on the car
ride home from the 7 shot visit? Did YOU see
my son screaming? Did you see my son
Go catatonic 30 mins and 5 mls of tylenol
later? Were you the attending physician
At the ER when I rushed my son to the
hospital following yet another round of
Vaccines? Were you one of 4 different
dermatologists I brought my son to when
He developed a mysterious rash that NO one
could dx YET were quick to prescribe meds for?
Your aggrogance just serves to strengthen our
resolve and fight harder for all children. Shame
On you and your ego.

Dear Dr. Iannelli:

If vaccines are so incredibly safe, then what is causing autism?
Where is the study of fully vaccinated vs. non vaccinated children?
If one million parents are wrong, how right can you possibly be?
Every parent of an autistic child I have spoken with had the exact same symptoms/problems with their children. All of the symptoms showed up after the children received their vaccinations. They all have had bowel issues, pneumonia issues, overall health issues that are chalked up to autism. When the developmental pediatrician told me “I don’t know.”, again, I decided he wasn’t worth my time. I was right. Any help that has been given to my son, I have had to find on my own. My son speaks now. It is limited, and it is sometimes hard to understand, but he can now tell me if he hurts. Where was your profession when I was up all hours of the day and night with him screaming? I didn’t get a night’s rest for over a year. Where was your profession then? When my son’s brain was swelling and his adnoids were so infected we couldn’t go anywhere in public. Where was your profession then?
My son has been under a doctor’s care for years. He has been tested for CF, liver disease, and a whole host of other things. They were shots in the dark, because no one could tell me what was wrong with my son. And this was two years before his autism diagnosis.
Forgive my lack of faith in your profession. You haven’t done very well up to this point.
Sincerely,
Jan M. Houston
Mother, researcher and over-all protector of her children.

Hi J. Houston,

Millions of statisticians in the world, decades of explaining why the vax vs unvax study shouldn’t be done. And still being misrepresented by the anti-vacs.

If you were to read the omnibus text, they clearly demonstrate how parents are wrong, the autism pre-dates the vaccines, and how the anti’s try to suppress this evidence.

Seems pretty clear to me.
W&N

White and Nerdy, please provide the link or citation from “decades” ago when mainstream medical authorities explained why a vaccinated/never-vaccinated study couldn’t be performed. I only know of the most recent excuse– that it would be “unethical”. Not sure how, since there are hundreds of thousands of children in the US whose parents left them unvaccinated by choice. Would the medical authorities consider it “unethical” to come across an unvaccinated child and not forcibly vaccinate them? Since attempting to forcibly vaccinate a child against parental consent would be criminal battery, the excuse doesn’t exactly hold, so no reason not to do the study.

Nerdy, “decades of explaining why the vax vs unvax study shouldn’t be done”.

So strange. The CDC et al are going to do some:-
http://tinyurl.com/3wx94gz

“7) The NVAC endorses the Writing Group’s recommendation for an external expert committee, …. to consider “…. various study designs to examine outcomes in unvaccinated, vaccine delayed and vaccinated children and report back to the NVAC.”

“Feasibility study of Vaccinated/Unvaccinated/Alternatively Vaccinated Children ”

“The type of study that is being suggested would be an observational study of populations looking at natural variation in vaccination schedules including some children where vaccination is declined through parental intent. ”

“Feasibility Study of Vaccinated/Unvaccinated/ Multiple Vaccines:”
http://tinyurl.com/3ukccgl
“Members of the public, stakeholders, and the Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee (IACC), as well as the Writing Group … on Gaps in Research Agenda … suggested several studies including: vaccinated versus unvaccinated children to determine if there are differences in health outcomes between groups with varying exposures to vaccines ….”

For as long as I can remember pediatricians have relied on parental information to help them diagnose babies and toddlers unable to explain for themselves. But suddenly with the Autism epidemic parents are marginalized, insulted, and dismissed. Our children’s medical issues are ignored.
No matter how many tens or hundreds of thousands parents give the same identical testimony, it is dismissed. No matter how many cases look 100% identical to Hannah Poling we are dismissed.
Then as the denials continue about the cause we are again attacked if we treat our children outside of mainstream doctrine. Parents have even lost their children for pursuing treatments such as a diet. All in the name of protecting our children. Meanwhile, if I had put my child on Ritalin and sent her off to an inadequate school program that utilizes restraints on 3 year olds I could have been put up as “MOTHER OF THE YEAR”.
24 hours a day for 10 + years has been devoted to saving my child from the damage people like you glibly cause, deny, and then refuse to look at effective treatments. Your feeble denials no longer work because there are not just tens of thousands of us, but we all have extended families, friends, neighbors, teachers, church members who all witnessed what happened to our children.
We are not the cause of the anti-vaccine movement, the continued denials to address this honestly and openly, investigate individuals and acknowledge shortcomings are all to blame.
You offer us nothing but have the gall to question why we would dare turn elsewhere. This is never going away until transparency, truly independent investigation and honesty are all up front and accounted for.

I used to enjoy reading on About.com. But, this lack of correct information on such an important topic…from a doctor is (once again) alarming.

The accusations against Wakefield were dropped and proven impossible for one thing. No mention of that here. Hearsay by a news writer does not truth make.

Not to mention the recent nine counts of fraud and embezzlement against the CDC researcher set to prove no link of harm between vaccines and autism.

For the medical establishment to continue to deny the pleas of hundreds of thousands of mothers world wide who have watched their children descend into a disability following a vaccine is criminal medicine. Really step up to the plate rather than parroting a bunch of bologna you hear from the pharmacy selling you something.

Autism is not the only injury shown to be vaccine induced including many cases of SIDS, sensory disorders, seizures, and more. The research is real and available and un used by our medical establishment who seem only concerned with selling drugs and vaccines.

Other countries seem to be able to admit a relationship of harm here and have taken measures to begin to protect infants. But, not the good ole USA.

I see my comment has been removed, seems like the Big Pharma behind this article didn’t like what I had to say!

Your comment was removed. I can’t remember what it said, but I remember reading your name when I was here this morning.

Booooo.

No comments have been moderated or removed.

Ginger sees conspiracies everywhere. That’s how she rolls.

Too bad your opinion relies on Paul Offit’s (the “False Profit”). You have obviously relied on false premises about Dr Wakefield’s work. Little do you realize or apparently bothered to investigate that his finding has been replicated several times in peer reviewed medical journals.

The results of Wakefield’s 1998 paper have never been replicated, though several studies have tried. An unpublished poster presentation is not the same as a peer-reviewed study. Neither is an article in Autism Insights.

Reibel, poster presentations are citable references in medical journals and in textbooks. An example is “ESTIMATING AUTISM SPECTRUM PREVALENCE IN THE POPULATION: A SCHOOL BASED STUDY FROM THE UK “.

This was presented as a poster presentation at IMFAR 2008 and cited in a number of journal articles and in a textbook well before a paper was published [eventually in June 2009].

And the findings of the 1998 Lancet paper are not only replicated and supported in a number of papers but the diagnosis of Ileal Lymphoid Nodular Hyperplasia is being made in mainstream medicine.

Show me a study that actually attempted to replicate Wakefeild’s study …. you know using real patients and a real team of world leading gastroenterologists

Maybe these “esteemed” pediatricians should read these studies for themselves!! The parents have. Instead of the standard defense of dragging Dr Wakefield through the mud, maybe do some independent reading and thinking??
Wakefield’s findings:

“… it’s been replicated in Canada, in the U.S., in Venezuela, in Italy… [but] they never get mentioned. All you ever hear is that no one else has ever been able to replicate the findings.
I’m afraid that is false.”
For those of you who have swallowed this type of reporting hook line and sinker, here is a list of 28 studies from around the world that support Dr. Wakefield’s controversial findings:
1. The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63
2. The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372
3. Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517
4. Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005  
5. Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103
6. Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3
7. Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85

Hi Virginia,

The thing about committing fraud, is that the con-person is willing to lie.

Here is the first reference you gave:
http://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(99)70052-1/abstract

These findings are very, very different from Wakefield’s paper.

If you go through the entire list, you will find that no one else has replicated Wakefield’s findings. He just claims that others have.

W&N

Nerdy,

Said “These findings are very, very different from Wakefield’s paper.” Wrong. Misleading people again.

The findings in this 1999 paper are very similar to Wakefield and the world renowned Royal Free’s team of specialist medical professionals. They confirm the association of gastrointestinal disorders with autistic conditions of children including that the conditions “may contribute to the behavioral problems of the non-verbal autistic patients”.

Here are more quotes from it:-

“Autistic disorder belongs to the group of pervasive developmental disorders ……. In addition to the abnormalities in communication and language skills, these children frequently have aggressive and self-injurious behaviors. Sudden unexplained irritability or aggressive behavior, nighttime awakening, and pushing on the abdomen are usually considered part of the behavioral problems associated with autism.

Many parents report gastrointestinal symptoms in their autistic child; however, until recently, gastrointestinal symptoms of these children received little attention. In 1996, D’Eufemia et al[2] reported increased intestinal permeability in 9 of 21 (43%) patients with autistic disorder. The report of Wakefield et al[3] represents the first effort to evaluate the gastrointestinal tract in children with autism. In a recent case report we described 3 children with autistic spectrum disorder and chronic diarrhea who had an increased pancreatico-biliary secretory response after secretin injection, suggesting that gastrointestinal dysfunction might be associated with this pervasive developmental disorder.[4]

This report describes several gastrointestinal abnormalities in low-functioning autistic children and underlines the importance of comprehensive gastrointestinal evaluations.”

“As usual CHS posts about me, while I keep posting the references so people with an honest interest can see the actual words.”

Wait a second. You’re complaining about personal attacks against you, all while making personal attacks against others?

Geez Louise!!! That’s pure comedy gold!

If the hypocrisy was any more deep coming from W&N, we’d all need some type of breathing aparatus.

Dr. Iannelli,

I came back to see if you posted any follow ups to the comments I made. Reading the rest of the comments I have posted, I have to ask you… do they move you at all?

You have absolutely lost the argument here. To a bunch of parents. You don’ t have responses for their questions and statements, only dismissals… if you have responded at all.

And not ONE person has showed up to defend your remarks.

Does this not cause you to stop and think? Is there any humility in you that is causing you to consider that you and the AAP might be wrong here? That you might be operating on bad information?

One of the things you have not done here is to throw a bomb and run away. You have returned to comment a little, and that gives me a sign that, at least in your own mind, you see yourself as a doctor that is trying to work in good faith with parents. So are you listening? Can you hear us?

Did you know, as pointed out here, that Wakefield’s paper was not about autism and made no causation claims, and has been replicated around the world? And that now CDC/HHS et al tells peds to screen for GI problems when diagnosing autism http://www.medicalhomeinfo.org/downloads/pdfs/AutismAlarm.pdf a vindication of Wakefield’s work?

You know we have actually read the paper and know that you and those who are trying to make him into a scape goat are making false claims, right?

So… how can you continue this? You are not telling the truth, and we know it? how long will you continue the pretense of this? What is your plan?

For ALL trust between peds and parents to be destroyed so that no one vaccinates at all any more?

Ms Taylor,

No Wakefield claims they have been replicated.

I think it was CNN that then had scientists that pull his references–surprise what Wakefield said wasn’t true.

Anyone can pull the references that Virginia posted and see how parents are being deceived.

And no, the CDC link you provided in no way vindicates Wakefield’s work.

Did you even read his study?

” Interpretation
We identified associated gastrointestinal disease and DEVELOPMENTAL REGRESSION in a group of previously normal children, which was generally associated in time with possible environmental triggers.”

W&N

Nerdy,

“We identified associated gastrointestinal disease and developmental regression in a group of previously normal children”.

Funny thing that. That is pretty much what the other papers looking into this found. They found autistic children had GI symptoms, just like the 1999 paper we quoted elsewhere on this thread replicating the 1998 Lancet paper’s findings.

What you also fail to point out is that the 1998 Lancet paper is clearly marked “early report”, which is an early warning signal to other professionals to look out for the condition to see if it is found elsewhere.

That is what “early reports” are for. Just like how rubella was first found to be associated with congenital rubella syndrome – from a report by a German doctor of two mothers with CRS infants who just happened to sit next to each other for an appointment in his surgery and found the both had rubella when pregnant with their children.

The rest of the list for your review:
8. The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10 
9. Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11
10. Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98
11. Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161
12. Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6 
13. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13 
14. Medical Hypotheses August 1998;51:133-144.
15. Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35
16. Lancet. 1972;2:883–884.
17. Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62
18. Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372. 
19. Molecular Psychiatry 2002;7:375-382. 
20. American Journal of Gastroenterolgy April 2004;598-605.
21. Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003;23:504-517.
22. Neuroimmunology April 2006;173(1-2):126-34.
23. Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477.
24. Clinical Infectious Diseases September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16 
25. Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465 
26. Journal of Medical Microbiology October 2005;54:987-991
27. Archivos venezolanos de puericultura y pediatría 2006; Vol 69 (1): 19-25.
28. Gastroenterology. 2005:128 (Suppl 2);Abstract-303

From this article. Links to the studies are within Dr Mercola’s comments.
Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s Interview on His MMR Study

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx

Dr. Iannelli, Please watch these videos and then explain away the corruption & deciet. It is so clear in their actions to hide the VSD, this video reveals the truth about those in vaccine safety.
Bet it’s not possible to explain it away,

This is a five part video I will send 1 at a time that destroys any and all belief of credibility, that one might have for the CDC and the Vaccine Commission.

If you cannot find the corruption and deceit in this video, you really need to be worried because you evidently have no conscience or integrity Dr.

http://www.autismmedia.org/geiersvsd1w.html

Hi Joe,

Thanks for exactly making my point.

Geier charges parents million$ based on the claim that vaccines cause autism.

His testimony has been ruled junk science by US civil courts that described him as “intellectually dishonest”.

And he completely messed up the VSD analysis. You can read about this in great detail at the IOM site.

And yet he is still promoting these ideas.

I think that makes everything clear.

W&N

What I, as a mother of a vaccine-injured child, am so tired of hearing are the same phrases over and over “blah blah studies show no link,” “…something about Dr. Wakefield, MMR and autism,” and the ever-popular “parents looking for something to blame.” Doctors such as this one have OBVIOUSLY NEVER watched a child regress into any condition after having multiple vaccines, and why? It is not their job to follow up. Their job is to only jab said child with as many syringes as possible in order to fill their quota with the CDC. Problem, when said child begins to have more than his/her share of health issues (such as G I, strep, ear infections, thrush, etc etc) the parents are blamed. I have met several physicians who have changed their tunes after watching either their own children or those of a family member or friend regress into autism after multiple vaccines. We are intelligent, highly educated parents who watched this happen to our kids, and now we are fighting back. Say what you will, keep saying it. Doesn’t change the fact that it happened, and is continuing. I’ll end with a couple of notes. 1958 – There is no proof that cigarette smoking is linked to lung cancer (CDC). 2007 – Vaccines can cause “autism-like symptoms *snort* (CDC)
Hmmmm.
Vaccines destroy human life, they cause illness, seizures and even death. Oh yes, they also cause autism. Word.

Dr. Iannelli, have you ever considered that vaccine-induced encephalitis and/or seizures are considered rare ONLY because medical professionals didn’t and still don’t know enough to recognize them when they see them?

My oldest child had vaccine-induced seizures when he was 2 months old. But the nurse wouldn’t let me make an appointment, wouldn’t let me speak with one of the pediatricians, and told me that I’d be turned away if I showed up at the office with my baby. She told me to give my baby Tylenol, put him in his crib, and walk away until he stopped screaming (which, thank God, I did not do). She also told me to stop being a hysterical new mom and to just calm down, because “vaccines don’t do that.”

Sadly, my experience is not unique. But you, as a practicing doctor, ought to know that. Anybody reading these comments knows it by now.

Unfortunately, it seems that it takes seeing one’s own child having a severe reaction to a vaccine before a doctor will admit that it is even possible.

That breaks my heart T.

Six months ago I took my son (with autism) in to the ped and the nurse wanted to catch him up on his shots. (We stopped vxing him when he regressed, as serious vaccine reactions are contraindications for further vaccines.) I politely declined, assuming that she had not looked at his chart thoroughly enough.

She said, “Well if you are worried about it, I can tell you that vaccines can’t cause any permanent harm”

She said this in 2010!

My mouth just fell open! I was in the middle of writing/editing Vaccine Epidemic, so I was certainly well armed with information for her, but I was so stunned that I just said, “well… that is not true.”

She got flustered and said the doc would be right in. Took off like a bat. Had no one ever challenged her on that before?

Still… STILL… no one is educating these people! How many shots do you think this woman gives a day….

Total ignorance of what is on a VIS sheet or in the VICP and has never even read a vaccine package insert!

Total malpractice and total ignorance.

Ginger, et al.

My heart breaks as I read all these comments. Our son, now 17 years old, suffered reactions to all his pediatric vaccines, including to his very first; at but 12 hours of age, he received the Hep B vaccine and this was after I’d been tested as a negative carrier. My family has a medical history replete with eczema, all sorts of allergies, including some potentially fatal food allergies, milk allergies, ADD, etc. We asked our pediatrician about all of this – his response – not to worry. My heart told me otherwise. Finally, at four months, our son was given another round of shots; this time, all hell broke loose. He fell into complete somnolence; awakened after 12 hours being nearly comatose with a high-pitched scream. His peds readily acknowledged he had had a severe vaccine reaction; they even put that into his file, wonder of all wonders. We allowed one more vaccine at six months; no high-pitched scream, but complete somnolence. After that, no more vaccines. We have been taking our son to see a homeopathic pediatrician who has completely turned our son around. Our Denver pediatrician – the ones we were using when our son had his reactions, admitted to me that after our son’s reaction to his whole cell DPT vaccine, we should EXPECT to see academic issues with our son, starting at Kindergarten. We did. Thankfully, with appropriate homeopathic remedies, tutoring and advocacy for our son, he is out of special education, totally mainstreamed, and doing unbelievably well academically. MOTTO: Quit seeing pediatricians. Boycott them. Completely. There are PLENTY of qualified, competent and knowledgeable physicians out there who can treat your children.

We quit seeing pediatricians when our son was six months of age. We’ve never looked back. Our son is healthier than ALL of his vaccinated friends.

Dr, I-

You are ignorant about autism. I wouldn’t bring my dog to your for treatment, let alone a human.
Vaccines cause brain damage. That is established. What part of your Hippocratic oath says “First cause no harm, except in the interest of herd immunity?”
You are so demonstrably ignorant on this topic, I wonder if you are even an Md at all. But you smuf=g, God complex shines through, confirming your status as a self satisfied regurgitator of assigned talking points.
Most obnoxious of all, how dare you flack Offit’s book? Are you insane, insensitive, arrogant, or just an out of touch moron?
Shame on you, a pox on your head.

Doctor, I know I am just piling on at this point, but I want to make another point to you.

There is a reason Paul Offit does not blog. This is the reason. If he went into a forum, any forum, where parents could challenge him… well this is what would happen to him.

He turns down almost all debates, will not appear in places where parents can hold discussions with him and when he does appear in a situation with a q and a at the end, as soon as challenges come, the event shuts down (like the Offit, ECBT, AAP press conference http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html)

He is not a stupid man. He knows that he can’t step outside the ivory tower and defend his claims on the street.

He leaves that to (pardon the phrase) suckers like you. You apparently are handed his bad info, assume that there is no response to it, and then boldly walk out and repeat his talking points and get your butt kicked.

Note that Offit is not out here with you? Nor is any AAP official speaking on behalf of AAP? They are safely back in the tower, patting themselves on the back over drinks.

Are you going to hold them accountable for sending you out into battle with guns they know don’t work?

“Doctor, I know I am just piling on at this point, but I want to make another point to you.

There is a reason Paul Offit does not blog. This is the reason. If he went into a forum, any forum, where parents could challenge him… well this is what would happen to him.”

Just curious, but how did all of the posters with the same view point just happen to find my post today?

“Just curious, but how did all of the posters with the same view point just happen to find my post today?”

Ever hear of a google alerts eg for autism? Facebook groups for autism?

I saw a note from Anne Dachel. Thought I would come look and see what she was so upset about.

I checked facebook tonight and apparently a lot of people were upset with you.

Posted it on facebook myself about 30 minutes ago.

So are you going to actually deal with the charges here or are you going to try to make this about us again?

Or is it facebook’s fault?

Damn those parents for talking to each other!

Common experiences cause people to come together. Our views are based on our experiences with our children. We listened to our doctors and trusted them. We vaccinated our children and something went horribly wrong. We are REAL people. We are not just a collection of nameless and faceless people online. We are living this autism nightmare.

Dr. Ianelli,

many of these names are on the same small group that spends a lot of time countering anything they see as a threat to their failed notion of vaccines and the “autism epidemic”

The question isn’t why they found you, the question is why they took so long.

thanks for this piece. This autism parent was very saddened to see Macneil end his career with such a mistake.

We find places like these, good doctor, because us parents have to stick together; we have no advocates but ourselves. You certainly don’t advocate. You are quick to judge, quick to dismiss, but how many autistic children have you yourself treated? Spent more than the cursory 10 minutes of time with? Went digging for information to find out WHY all these ASD kids have bowel disease, some with chronic diarrhea (mine) and some with chronic constipation, but nearly none with normal bowel habits? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR OUR CHILDREN? Besides stand on a soapbox and spout all the talking points? There are good physicians out there, that use their critical thinking skills and realize there is something wrong, and that the vaccine schedule is not one size fits all. That it just may be that the vaccine is just as debilitating as the disease in many cases. These physicians keep their heads low, because they know that if they speak out, their heads may roll just as fast as Wakefield’s; and his went just for saying that he found no causal association, but his findings warranted more studies; did you even read it? Do you read the studies published that “dispel” the link between autism and vaccines? Some are so tangential they barely even cover the topic, yet still continue to be used as “proof”; other compare vaccinated children to differently vaccinated children. In this day and age where science, and I use the term loosely, has been high-jacked by industry, and treatment is looked at on a for profit basis, parents have to be advocates, and rely on each other to help create change. As the children with ASD, the parents that have returned to school, and the the siblings of those with ASD come out of college with their PhD’s in Molecular Biology determined to find out the TRUE etiology and have honest discourse, expect the current medical paradigm to turn on it’s head.

Dr. Ianelli, you wrote “Just curious, but how did all of the posters with the same view point just happen to find my post today?”

Funny, I was wondering how the pharma trolls/shills found your post within an hour or two of your having posted this question.

And I’m also wondering what your thoughts are about the directions these comments have taken.

You have had several parents posting variations on the same theme: we have had, or our children have had (or both) documented severe adverse reactions to vaccines, and we’ve all been told by doctors and nurses that “vaccines don’t do that.” We’re horrified, and also angry, that so many medical professionals are STILL denying what has happened to us and our children, even with medical documentation (as well as buried studies that we’ve been able to find)!

But you’ve also had a couple of posters who fit the definition of “troll.” They’ve posted nothing but insults and abuse at the parents and grandparents of vaccine-injured children, parents and grandparents who have dared to come here and stand up to YOU, and demand that YOU listen–and hear what is being said. They are justifiably demanding that the medical profession take responsibility for continuing to reassure us that vaccines were perfectly safe, when clearly, they have had disastrous effects on a significant number of children, and equally clearly, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PROPERLY STUDIED FOR SAFETY.

No real response from you–but plenty of posts from trolls who, first, label the parents as “anti-vaccers,” (crazy when we are the ones who DID vax our kids), and then accuse the parents of being “bereft of rational thought and being unable to get even the most basic facts correct.”

You continue to be very quiet while these unprovoked attacks have occurred.

Perhaps you feel that the parents here have launched an unprovoked attack on YOU, but surely you can understand that your posts here represent the industry that literally destroyed innocent lives. I can’t think of anything more provoking than that right now.

I truly hope that reading what the parents have written, and what the trolls/shills have written, during these days of Passover and Easter, might change your perspective.

Dr. I, Isn’t it true your hands are also tied by the insurance companies? Peds are audited by the insurance companies to insure high rates of fully vaxed kids. If you do not satisfy their requirements, the insurance can pull from your office. WOW, what would happen if BCBS took their patients elsewhere? So it’s better for the wallet when you fully vaccinate without question. Right?

Ms Taylor,

The non-debate argument is particularly silly.

First, complex scientific arguments aren’t amenable to sound-bites, but cons are.

Secondly, a debate allows for miss-information. See Kirby’s statements during his “debate” with Arthur Allen.

Clearly, scientific questions should be answered by the usual scientific process. It worked, vaccines don’t cause autism.

All that is left is for the courts to separate the crooks from the incompetent people.

Bet there isn’t any good faith attempt on adventuresinautism to describe the legal problems/criminal behavior of the biomed fraud.

W&N

scientific questions should be answered by the usual scientific process. It worked, vaccines don’t cause autism

You are either deliberately misleading readers with this statement, or you are ignorant. I suspect the former. Anyone that is even remotely paying attention to this discussion is well aware that the only studies that have been conducted have been epidemiological studies – and all poorly designed. Science has answered no such question.

The DTaP vaccine package insert alone will tell you: “Adverse events reported during post-approval use of DTaP vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, AUTISM, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. http://www.facebook.com/l/22f8b/www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi…/UCM101580.pdf 

Hi Virginia,

So what? Did you think about the math?

Also, you didn’t provide the full quote:

” Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.”

Is this unclear to you?

W&N

HAHA What is clear is those adverse affects are in five children (four families) on my block alone. THAT’s MATH!

Lancet 12 parents respond to Brian Deer’s allegations to the GMC. Video link here:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/01/lancet-12-parents-respond-to-brian-deer-bmj-gmc-allegations.html

Hi Virginia,

Well, this is what you get for believing AoA.

Wakefield’s testimony at GMC was that he lied to the parent’s about his clinical work.

Can you find this anywhere on AoA?

Would you like to keep going?

W&N

White&Nerdy, did you watch the video at the link? It actually has nothing whatsoever to do with Age of Autism aside from the fact that they posted a link to it. It’s a video of a letter written by one of the parents involved in the original much-maligned 1998 paper on GI disease in autistic children, and signed by all the others who were still in the area. The letter talks about how NONE of the parents had a single complaint about their children’s treatment and they cannot understand how Brian Deer got hold of their children’s CONFIDENTIAL MEDICAL FILES (files, by the way, that Andrew Wakefield did NOT have access to).

And, yes, I’d like very much to see your link to Andrew Wakefield testifying that he lied to parents (that’s a plural by the way, not a possessive) about his clinical work. I’ll believe it when I see it.

Another case won in the UK. Vaccines caused this boy’s autism! Please look at his baby pics included in this article. He was a healthy baby. So sad……..a complete loss of his childhood.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1307095/Family-win-18-year-fight-MMR-damage-son–90-000-payout-concerns-vaccine-surfaced.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Hi Virginia,

If you read the link you provided, the story isn’t about autism.

It is also helpful to think about the decision making process in proceedings like this.

W&N

Doctor, the fact that you can’t comment on all 49 studies is a problem in and of itself. If you are so concerned and actually take the position that vaccines are safe for children, then one would naturally assume that you HAVE read all 49 studies and then some. It is disturbing that you clearly have not.

Dr. Iannelli,

I am very saddened by your comments in this article. The child in the PBS special was sick. The mother confirmed, the doctors confirmed. He got treatment and got better.

The hallmark of the Autism diagnosis is a serious communication delay, deficiency or inability. How can these children help us understand that they are sick? What is their behaviors are clues that they need our help? Why is autism now affecting SO MANY CHILDREN?

My son is exactly like Nick’s story. So are thousands and thousands of other families.

We need help not dismissal.

Please do me a favor – ask your colleagues this one question: 20 years ago did we have this many sick children?

They will answer they have NEVER seen so many food allergies, asthma, immune issues, diabetes, AUTISM and countless other issues. Rather than just dismiss these families – listen and help them and their children. Please ask and share. Then please help.

Articles like this one make my blood boil. Excuses, deny an dismiss all the while Rome burns. Our future generation is in jeopardy. What will it take to get REAL HELP NOW?

If the medical profession could stand up and give some sort of unequivocal statement about what causes autism much of this debate would be over … the fact is they can’t.

Looks like Dr. I drew the AAP short straw and had to provide the inevitable AAP rebuttal to the plethora of sick kids they have pawned off onto school districts and psychologists over the last 20 years.

It’s like a rape for the families of sick kids – peds break the kids and then run them over a few times for good measure with their panicked denial of vaccine injury. The horse has left the barn, Dr. I. Parents know. But that’s why you’re here; to convince them otherwise, is it not? We can’t sue you. We can’t sue Merck. But in this week of Passover and Easter, we know that you’ll one day have to answer questions.

Kim
author, Mom of THREE girls with autism, editor ageofautism.com tired of the medical community working so hard to shut us up.

Kim, you know what it is like.. it is like war.

AAP et al have declared war on communicable disease, and drafted our children into the war with out telling us.

But in this war, our kids are shot by friendly fire, and as they lay bleeding on the battle field, the army tells us that they have always been full of holes and gushing blood, and then walk away and leave us there alone with them to try to save them on our own. Then they are off for new recruits to use for their war.

Then when we protest their ethics, we are insulted, belittled and sometimes have our children taken from us. Because AAP knows best.

And the war is stupid in the first place. Wiping out communicable disease is as dumb as trying to wipe out gravity. It is what happens on this planet. Our goal should be to minimize death and serious injury as much as possible.

Not launch a stupid and unwinnable war at the cost of our most precious little ones.

I am so disgusted with all this.

My child is not cannot fodder in your war against measles.

Ms Taylor,

Bereft of a rational thought and unable to get the most basic facts correct, the anti-vaccs are marginalized to making comments like yours and Ms. Staglino’s above comment about rape.

Your POV is rejected because your arguments are at best wrong.

W&N

The truth is this is not just about the science and everyone knows it.
If it’s clearly shown that a generation of children has been harmed by an unsafe, unchecked vaccine program, people will be held responsible–lots of people.
To many, it’s the unthinkable and they will stop at nothing to try and disprove a link.
We continue to go to health officials and medical groups with endless ties to the vaccine makers and we allow them to assure us that “studies show no lnk.”
The studies can’t make our kids go away, and in the end, they’re going to bankrupt us.
Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism

Kim,

is there any way that you can not use inappropriate sexual terms in these discussions? Perhaps those of us with both autistic children and family members who have been sexually abused would find it a lot easier to take you seriously if you did.

Would it be appropriate for me to say, “My visit to a DAN doctor was like rape. All I got was blamed for causing my son’s autism, then I got stuck with a huge frakkin bill. For good measure, the doc told me to come back so that my wife could get the blame in person, at a huge cost to both of us. Oh yeah, the DAN never actually answered the questions I came in with. Just blame the parents and charge a huge amount.”

Sounds like you have a beef with a Defeat Autism Now! Doctor. I’m sorry about that. It is an apt analogy of denying injury and blaming the victim or the victim’s parents and making sure the the victim is presented as the wrongdoer. I stand by it. The entire point is that rape is indeed horrible – not sure why you missed that. I happen to be female and have 3 daughters who face a lifetime of rape and sexual abuse due to their autism. Perhaps you forgot that in your effort to bash Defeat Autism Now and me at the same time?

Also, it’s interesting to note that I use my own name – and you hide behind a anonymous dig. Speaks volumes.

Speaking as someone who was raped and someone with a vaccine injury, it’s a VERY apt comparison… Though the vaccine injury has had a MUCH more crippling. And, as a rape victim, I had legal rights. I don’t as a vaccine victim. So now I’m not only nervous to be alone with any men other than my father and husband; I mistrust the entire health industry, school systems, and judicial system. I don’t live in terror of my future children getting raped, but I am terrified of them being taken away and subjected to what I went through or worse, without the benefit of finding a doctor who would actually help, because I want to slow down (not stop) their vaccinations.

I’ve been reading AoA for a few years ago. I recently read Kim’s book, and I saw her speak. Yet, I’m still not tired of Kim! Because she always has something interesting to say. She’s funny and sharp, intelligent and down-to-earth, has tremendous positive energy but doesn’t gloss over the negatives. Yay, Kim! Thanks for being one of the best and brightest spokespeople for our community — advocating for our children, and expressing our experiences to the rest of the world.

Hi Ms Staglino,

Of course you can sue Merck, or Glaxo or any other vaccine manufacturer.

This is right in the SCOTUS decision–which you can read on their site.

But then, the whole point is that it is impossible to believe the abject blithering idiocy that AoA advocates if you care enough to fact check.

Further, vaccines manufacturers have been sued in the US several times recently claiming that vaccines cause autism.

They have lost every suit, everything argument that vaccines cause autism have ruled “junk science” inadmissible in court, and their scientists have been described by the US civil courts as “intellectually dishonest”.

Which I suppose is why you will never, ever find these court rulings posted at AoA.

Can’t actually let the AoA reads learn the facts now can we?

W&N

W&N,

Could you point out where in the ruling the vaccine injured retained the right to sue? I have not seen that anywhere.

And could you point out the rulings you are referring to? I only know of one in MD. And these have never gotten before a jury, right? Just judges throwing court cases out before they were heard, right?

Speaking of completely inappropriate- the screen name “white and nerdy” is a very ignorant and racist choice.

Anything else that comes from your direction speaks to that ignorant and disrespectful stance.

I thought I would mention that Dr. Buie did work with Dr. Ian Lipkin and Dr. Brent Williams along with others at Columbia University on GI issues with children with autism. They did not find measles virus however, they did confirm Wakefield’s finding that ASD children had gut inflammation. Here is a link:

http://imfar.confex.com/imfar/2010/webprogram/Paper6237.html

This is very interesting. It shows that ASD children have high levels of Sutterela species and yet the controls had none. This also shows that ASD kiddos have altered gene expression reflecting intestinal inflammation, impaired carbohydrate metabolism and transport, and dysbiosis.

They found that *in some autistic kids* there was gut inflammation. It would be surprising if there weren’t any autistic kids with gut inflammation.

What they found was that it was really hard and took a long time to find a lot of kids who were autistic and required endoscopy. That is very, very different from what Wakefield claimed.

Not exactly. What they described was that the underlying environment within two populations with GI distress were qualitatively different. The GI dysfunction was different in the autism group. While not a validation of Wakefield, it does tell there is more to the story than some kids with autism have GI problems.

Brian

Matt, how do you come to the speculation that it took a long time to find lots of kids that were autistic and required endoscopy. Obviously, you did not read the link that I posted. This was a study done on the exact subjects that Wakefield had. You can see Dr. Lipkin discussing the study here. Just go to about 41 minutes in the lecture.

http://www.uwtv.org/video/player.aspx?dwrid=31483

Actually, the whole lecture was rather interesting so enjoy.

Hi Jillba,

The link you provided is very, very different from Wakefield’s “findings”.

Here is a free, full text review from DR. Buie et al:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/125/Supplement_1/S1?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=autism++Gastrointestinal+&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

The data doesn’t support Wakefield’s “findings” as being real.

W&N

White&nerdy,

The same comment I sent to Matt applies to you as well. Please take a look. Open your mind. Closed prejudiced minds are damaging our children.

Aren’t you forgetting the clinical investigations were headed by John Walker-Smith at that time the UK’s leading paediatric gastroenterologist.

Hi Dr. Iannelli,

To quote a famous, fictional, pilot: ” {you} must have hit pretty close to home to get her so riled up”.

Please keep up the good work, our children deserve it.

W&N

I used to be a part of the mercury militia. My son had an HHE following his DPT at age 2 months. It ticked me off I was dismissed. It was a possibly compensatory event, but I hadn’t even heard of the NVICP until Ben was 7 years old.

Not until Ben’s medical pediatrician told me it was probably the Pertussis that caused Ben’s reaction did I begin to trust medicine again. Too many science wanna-be’s had put me in my place and called me crazy. BUT, it was not a good day for a brain swelling, a coincidence.

Why can’t science come up with someone better than Offit? He is a lone voice, and set himself up as the authority.

I don’t believe in woo, but parents may be on to something , although they don’t have the words for it. I don’t believe right now that vaccines caused my son’s autism…not enough proof to convince me. But if that proof came tomorrow, I wouldn’t be surprised. Vaccines are a truly amazing modern miracle, but they are not without harm.

.

“Why can’t science come up with someone better than Offit? He is a lone voice, and set himself up as the authority. ”

Although not as well known as Dr. Ofitt’s book, Do Vaccines Cause That?! A Guide for Evaluating Vaccine Safety Concerns, by Martin Myers, M.D and Diego Pineda, M.S. from the the National Network for Immunization Information (NNii), is another good one to read.

Still, vaccines are not without harm. The Pertussis was changed the year my son got it because of the damage the earlier version caused could be remedied.

Vaccines are not benign to a group of children who may be predisposed by illness,allergy,genetic predisposition etc. Children with Tuberous Sclerosis, a genetic disease that is one cause of autism, are often discovered because of their succeptability to the DPT. It may be the answer in my son’s case, but I can’t afford the money for genetic testing, in the thousands of dollars.

What angers me is a group of scientists who feel parents should shut up and take it for the good of the others…place their children in jeopardy and suck it up for herd immunity. I have a feeling it’s not the science, but the politics that drive the anti-vaccine crowd. They feel their children have been placed on the altars of science, collateral damage, forgotten. “You’re WRONG! You’re CRAZY! You’re STUPID !” isn’t productive to communication, any more than “You’re EVIL! ” (Come to think of it, I just saw a picture of an evil scientist in my head…this can’t be the first time science has been demonized…)

You don’t appear to be evil, Dr. Ianelli, but a very wise and good hearted person, much like my son’s pediatrician. You don’t attribute everything to autism, the way many in medicine and psychiatry do. You give our children the benefit of just being children. Thumbs up!!

Hi Rose,

Offit is a relevant scientist.

Then you have people making million$ claiming that vaccines cause autism and years of death threats against journalists, scientists, and their children when they publicly point out the errors in the anti-vaccs view.

The reality is that a lot of scientists figure for that kind of money, the risk of being murdered is very real if they challenge the anti-vaccs.

W&N

I can see that. Zealots often tend to attract the fringe elements, who have the zeal, but not the self-control. Yet, politically, they get a lot of notice (T.P. in America) so they are allowed, encouraged to be a part of the movement. It is a shame, where they should be cast out of membership, but instead are encouraged.

They are a pox upon the house of the anti-vaccine movement!

Unfortunately, they are also a reason why the movement will never be taken seriously. They should be denounced.

To me, Offit is the antithesis of the anti-vaxers. I’d prefer some one more in the middle, with less to lose.

Dr I…..Have you actually read these cases??
Vaccine Injury Compensation
$2 Billion has been paid out since 1989  from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund. The compensation is awarded from Vaccine Court (the Tobacco Court of today). 

http://www.nvic.org/injury-compensation.aspx

To illustrate that this $ has not been paid out liberally, and most victims don’t even attempt to seek compensation, meet this family:

Hi Virginia,

It would be helpful if you read how the program actually works. Here is the site:
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/

If you read the table injuries, it must be obvious to you that many claims are won even when the vaccine had nothing to do with the child’s health problems.

Also, junk science is removed from courts via the Daubert standard. All the vaccines cause autism arguments have been ruled junk science by US civil courts.

Unsurprisingly, the anti-vaccs just lie, and claim that you can’t sue vaccine manufactures. Try reading the decisions and you will see why.

W&N

Vaccine court & the Moeller family

http://mollermadness.blogspot.com/2010/10/vaccine-court.html

This should be required reading for every parent before they vaccinate their child.

Hi Virginia,

Aren’t we lucky that the vaccine court is on-line and we can all compare the blog you posted to the facts.

Surprise, your link isn’t accurate.

Fact checking is a good idea.

W&N

y’know, we delayed vax’s with my son until he was 2 because of a family member who had a horrible reaction (stopping breathing/ seizure kinda thing). My son was speaking in sentences – on video – and then we vaccinated him. we used tylenol because the ped’s office told us to. and we lost him. he’s 6 now, and struggles to put more than 2 words together – after 2 years of ABA therapy and biomed. do i personally think vaccines are the only causative factor- nope. i think there’s something funky going on in our dna – mutations, mitochontrial issues, whatever – thats triggered by the environment (up to and including vaccines)

I think you got the raw end of the deal, Dr I – in having to forumulate this response, because in this age of Internet, we parents of vaccine injured children have found each other. And we talk. And we support each other. And we are in a fight to try to get mainstream medical to listen to us, to help us.

I hope that you will take from these comments the realization that those 1 in 110 kids all have vocal parents who are demanding to be heard.

Have you gone to a DAN! conference? Do you know about what they do – my DAN at least is 100% based upon lab test results. its not snake oil. Are you willing to hear us? Are you willing to come to a conference and listen to our stories and listen to the MD’s who treat (successfully in many cases) our kids to recovery?

~Joy

Hi Joy,

” Do you know about what they do – my DAN at least is 100% based upon lab test results. its not snake oil.”

Do you mean the lab tests that have resulted in lawsuits, FBI raids, insurance fraud, clinics being shut down?

Your DAN clinic did mention all these legal issues to you didn’t they?

What did they tell you is the prognosis for autism?

W&N

Actually, my DAN uses Labcorp….

On November 2nd, 2000, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) announced that its members voted at their 57th annual meeting in St Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single “no” vote. 

“Measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, and the whole panoply of childhood diseases are a far less serious threat than having a large fraction (say 10%) of a generation afflicted with learning disability and/or uncontrollable aggressive behaviour because of an impassioned crusade for universal vaccination…….Public policy regarding vaccines is fundamentally flawed. It is permeated by conflicts of interest. It is based on poor scientific methodology (including studies that are too small, too short, and too limited in populations represented), which is, moreover, insulated from independent criticism. The evidence is far too poor to warrant overriding the independent judgements of patients, parents, and attending physicians, even if this were ethically or legally acceptable.” –Association Of American Physicians & Surgeons

Hi Virginia,

It would have been helpful if you also posted that AAPS is a fringe group and that their “scholarship” has been found to be so unreliable as to be unusable by US courts.

W&N

So Doctor,

Are you going to confront all that these parents have said, or are you simply going to let anonymous trolls take over the discussion?

Do you now understand why vaccination is in decline? Because a representative of the AAP cannot answer parents questions and charges, and the only response we get is from trolls hurling insults.

What is your plan? Is this it?

Ms Taylor,

You can only spend so many years correcting errors and after a certain point you have to conclude that some people just don’t care about the truth.

Good news: the rest of society does care.

W&N

Really Ginger? You should be embarrassed that this publicly funded anti-vax commercial was aired. I thought you didn’t want authors to post on their own pieces. At least that is what you told me.

Ginger has trouble keeping her stories straight. It’s an epidemic in her circles. Call it Wakefield Attention Disorder.

Dr. Iannelli you truly are a sickening individual. Notice I won’t use the term Dcotor because you don’t deserve that recognition. Not happy unless you’ve damaged more children every day it seems.

Not sure is this made “reply” so posting it here, too.

Time to close up shop here. Reibel , who owns a paid corporate communicat­ions consulting business posts whatever lies to try and slant the truth., while an ignorant, anonymous and racist commenter named “white and nerdy”, full of sarcasm and convoluted tangents, tries to bully his way through parental concerns and sick children.

Your distasteful posts and rabid comments prove you have nothing, both of you. This is not a discussion but some dobermans sent in to growl and foam. The TRUTH is that vaccines can harm, have harmed, and continue to harm children, who then receive an autism diagnosis. You can’t stop that truth, Ken and racist anonymous blogger no matter how much you try.

As far as Dr.Iannelli, I saw your initial comment on the PBS site. No one “liked” it then because it smells of public health and not the care of individual children. Stop being a salesman for Paul Offit and instead be a caring doctor who should “first, do no harm.”

What’s so interesting about propaganda pieces like this article is this:
It really doesn’t matter what we, the parents’ of vaccine injured children think. We all know what vaccines did to our children. We saw it with our own eyes. We have before and after videos, pictures, Apgar scores that are perfect, peds telling us how “ahead in development” our children were. Articles like this are never going to change the truth that we lived.
What really matters are the on lookers, the pregnant moms out there, the newly married couple, the concerned grandparent. And guess what?? When those people read articles like this, and read all the parents’ comments and personal stories, only to see the callous response from trolls and the like, it actually makes them believe us parents even more!!!! They are asking, “Where is the concern from Dr I?”.
And…….our community, which consists of many parents of vaccine injured children, do spread these propaganda pieces around. The truth is being told whether you and the trolls like it or not.

I think the only scientific interesting point left is the issue of psychology.

The fact is that arguing based on what “parents saw” is an illogical, innumerate, argument that also fails to consider the problem of recall bias.

People interested in getting valid data will consider all these problems with your argument.

The fact is that we have many years of home videos to analyze and the truth is that parents get the onset of symptoms of autism wrong and the antivaccs have actively suppressing this data from parents to deceive the parents into incorrectly blaming the vaccines.

All this is public information for anyone that cares enough to look.

When a person’s child’s health is at stake, why wouldn’t they be willing to look?

W&N

Are parents reporting accurately autism ?

From the 1999 Working Party Report … MMR Vaccine

“Confirmation of diagnosis

Of the 95 cases of reported autism evaluated, the diagnosis was considered confirmed as autism/PDD in 81, possible in 11 and not confirmed in 3. The three unconfirmed reports were all considered to be cases of global developmental delay.”

I don’t know looks like a pretty good strike rate to me for the parents …. ranging from 85% to 96%

Whew. That was one telling read above! Thank you Dr. Iannelli for providing further confirmation of the vaccination decisions we made years ago this evening.

Although our family’s final vax decisions from our lengthy review of information and input are now approximately 4 years in the past, I am rather new to the current goings-on within the discussion, particularly what is happening with social media. Having read this particularly one-sided thread here tonight, I am sorely disappointed in Dr. Iannelli’s thin input here as well as what I am seeing as yes, shills. For shame.

Ginger, well I think I will go pick up a copy of your book asap! Many thanks to you and others who elegantly stated your points of view and shared links to sustain your position and further information. And, gratitude as well as offerings of peace to those who were willing to come here tonight telling readers about the horrifying stories of your loved ones.

Many, many are so concerned with where we are headed with this and want the medical community to show up for the discussion. Some courageous, experienced ones have. Now let’s see how many more physicians and Phds questioning the state of affairs would like to come to the table. Let them come… and move on to healthier times, which should imo take integrative direction.

We need to stick to the issues at hand with autism and other important vax concerns – wherever those concerns fall with biopsychosocial elements of this debacle.

Hopefully one day the only ones left in the discussion are the ethical ones who believe in values driving the design of our businessses and research. Then we will celebrate better health in the U.S. and around the globe. G’night All.

Hi Kat Puso,

Before reading the book, why don’t you look up the definition of the word epidemic?

Fact checking is a useful habit.

W&N

“Fact checking is a useful habit.”

The results of which are always affected by the checker and the source.

When you think of science as a whole: You will see the forest for and through the trees. Then you may help build sustainable programs. Time tested – take a long, deep look into human history.

You will understand when you are ready to see. Hopefully that day will come. For some it happens much too late in life, but I hope that isn’t the case for you and others here tonight. Truly, I do.

Kat

Dr. Vince Iannelli, you state “Dr. Buie was part of a group of doctors that said that ‘there are inadequate data to establish a causal role for intestinal inflammation, increased intestinal permeability, immunologic abnormalities, or food allergies in ASDs.’” Although Dr. Buie is in fact a part of that group, it is improper to imply that Dr. Buie holds that exact belief without asking him. I did not hear him state one way or another.

The paper that Dr.Iannelli confidently refers to is “Evaluation, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Gastrointestinal Disorders in Individuals with ASD’s: A Consensus Report” from Pediatrics.

If the doctor had read the “methods” section he would see that it did not require unanimous agreement to rate the power of each study. It is ludicrous for anyone to assume that they know exactly how Dr.Buie had rated the studies that implicated the role of vaccines in the digestive disorders of autistic children. He may in fact have completely disagreed with other authors on the role of vaccines, or not have commented on studies linking to vaccines at all, we do not know. My opinion is clarified in the middle of page 52: “Committee members were encouraged to review but NOT NECESSARILLY GRADE all articles.”

Another keeper quote from that study is on page 53 under the paragraph “Consensus Statements”.

“Because of the absence, in general, of high quality research data, Evidence based recommendations are not possible at this time…….It is acknowledged that, in many areas, evidence is confined to case reports, observational or descriptive studies”

Sounds to me like they are talking about the work our friend Dr. Wakefield presented 13 years ago.

The important thing here is while Dr Buie is helping our children, Dr Dr.Iannelli is more concerned that we parents may have a voice about what we know caused our children’s pain.

Mr. Kasemodel,

The full text is available on Pediatrics site for free.

If you correctly read the methods you will see that Dr. Buie agrees with the consensus statements and in fact statement #4 is a complete slam of Wakefield.

W&N

Statement 4

“The significance of these findings, therefore, is unclear.”

balanced against your statement

“…is a complete slam of Wakefield.”

That’s an interesting interpretation of John Walker- Smith’s team of gastroenterologists findings.

My son suffered a variety of adverse reactions to vaccines, including gastrointestinal dysfunction shortly after receiving the MMR shot. For a year he rarely had a solid bowel movement.

For years I heard doctors say “maybe it’s this” or “he’ll grow out of it.” How utterly unscientific. Talk is no substitute for lab tests. Once my son’s nutritional deficiencies were detected and treated, he showed drastic gains in mood, behavior and abilities.

The Internet is bringing together increasing numbers of parents whose children regressed due to vaccine injury. Dozens at first, then hundreds. Thousands. Tens of thousands. More every day.

These parents of vaccine-injured children include neurologists, physicians, nurses, researchers, epidemiologists, environmentalists, Presidential advisors, legislators, educators, psychologists, journalists, and other highly educated truth seekers.

I have learned to shun doctors who diagnose via the Internet, and beware of hostile trolls with too much time on their hands to post large volumes of information supporting government and manufacturing sources. These people perpetuate mediocrity in vaccine manufacture and policy mediocrity, ensuring that vaccine injuries continue.

nhokkanen,

Correction: the Net is a two-edged sword.

If facilitates fraudsters stealing money from parents in our community.

It also is a tool for parents to research before making health care decisions.

Above there are many examples–fact checking demonstrates the falsehoods of the anti-vacc crew.

Sadly some parents seem to think that if they close their eyes the facts change.

W&N

Quit fighting and see what Dr. Buie had to say:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/jan-june11/buieext_04-18.html

Is there absolute proof that MMR causes it? No. Do I believe mom’s and dad’s that swear it did? Yes. Could it simply be a genetic disposition that gets “turned on” by vaccines? Could be. Could it be the Hep B initially and later vaccines finalize it? Maybe. Is it genetic? In part, it may be. Is it medical? Yes, in part. Do doctors know everything? Not everything. I am suspicious of educated people who are so quick to dismiss a theory, no matter whose theory it may be (acute tetanus infection hypothesized by a mom over ten years ago anyone…). Do mom’s and dad’s have a clue? Sure do. Would our energy be better spent chasing every lead rather than beating this ONE DEAD HORSE??? You know it!

It’s so nice to see that all the anti-vax heavy hitters are out tonight. Did AOA send out a battle cry and you all came running? The PBS special was nothing more than a publicly funded anti-vax commercial. How can a train obsession be caused by the mmr shot?

Dana,
forget AOA, it makes you just sound
silly and petty. What do YOU think macneil
Has to gain from this report?

Anne, I don’t think he has anything to gain. I think he emotionally reacted to a situation and unfortunately his family got exploited. The DAN! Doctors have everything to gain from this kind of thing.

Dana,
I’m tired of this argument that any parent who questions the vaccine schedule is being ‘exploited’. Did you actually watch the show? Do you really think Robert MacNeil is being exploited? Do you think the parents telling their stories in this thread are being exploited? It’s laughable. We are not a bunch of uneducated, gullible dupes. I’m one of the many thousands of parent who thinks vaccines played a role in my son’s ASD. I’ve done my own research, and the idea that I’m a desperate gullible parent looking for an answer, any answer – it’s insulting, and wrong.

Dana,
your rather cold and heartless remark ‘train
obsession via mmr vaccine’ leads me to
believe that you personally have no
experience with autism or the gross medical
Neglect our ‘train obessed’ children have
Been subjected to. Why is it that anytime
Someone, such dr. I, is called out and
challenged to an open debate, people like
you come along and cry ‘no fair’? Our stories
are real, our children’s suffering is real…

I have an autistic son with a lot of fixations. Trains being one of them. I don’t see it as a problem. I use his fixations to motivate him to learn new things. I just don’t see how that happens because of a shot. Why is that heartless? What gross medical neglect are you talking about? I have a perfectly healthy autistic son. So I’m definitely not crying “no fair”. I would say that many of the parents here feel that having an autistic child isn’t fair.

You don’t see how a shot can result in fixations?

Mental disturbance is listed by the EPA as a symptom of mercury poisoning, and you don’t see how a shot (and the flu shot and various adult shots STILL contain thimerosal) can result in fixations?

1297 cases of brain damage have been admitted in Vaccine Court, and you don’t see how a shot can result in fixations?

Hell, look what happens to the brain on caffeine. Or beer. Or drugs: “Risperidone-Induced Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder: a Series of 6 cases,” Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology, 2002.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Try opening your eyes.

My autistic son is 15 and has a fascination with corporate logos and traffic signs. I can’t imagine him any other way. He doesn’t suffer, in fact he’s insufferably happy most of the time. He’s going through job training one day a week to work with children and the elderly in a community center in our neighborhood. He loves to swim, and he takes our golden retriever for long walks along Lake Michigan. I wish he had more friends, and I would like for him to take his schoolwork more seriously. But that’s pretty much what my own parents said about me when I was that age. ; -)

Ken,

That is wonderful that your son is doing so well. And you like him just the way he is. But, what does his experiences have to do with our kids’ experiences and why does it matter so much to you? Maybe what your son and kids like my son have aren’t even the same thing? My son was born seemingly healthy
and normal and all that changed after his 12 month vaccines. He changed -regressed, withdrew, developed eating problems, sleep issues, and suddenly had all these health issues/problems. He is also 15. Has no friends, is terrified of dogs, and has no fascinations such as your son -with logos or traffic signs. But, he does like to swim! So what does what he is like and what he has been thru have to do with your son-nothing. And what does what your son is like, or has experienced or not experienced have to do with my son-nothing. Go enjoy your son and ease up on battling parents who have different experiences than your own. You will never change what happened to our kids or stop us from talking about it.

Sounds like a lovely boy.

Ken, Dr. I, everyone.

The vilification of Andrew Wakefield by America’s national media conveniently never mentions that there were 13 extremely well qualified doctors and specialists (including Wakefield) who together studied and examined the children that were the subject of their report.

Do you really think all 13 doctors conspired to create a fraudulent report?

What is never mentioned (but relevant to the objectivity of America’s mainstream media) is that sources such as the Kaiser Family Health Foundation and academic articles estimate the annual spending by pharmaceutical companies for media advertising (direct to consumers) is $40 to $75 Billion dollars a year.

Small wonder the media doesn’t ever want to ever mention Wakefield was only one of 13. To those who will cite 10 of these co-authors twelve years later withdrew their names: Well, all doctors are so courageous to lose their practice after clearly seeing the outcome of a politicized medical hearing that looked little for truth (never called any parents to testify).

david burd

Ken, no wonder why you are so against parents wanting to help their children heal. You think everything is going well for your own son we should just follow your lead. 20 year old young man with aspergers in my area just tried taking his own life because the lack of friends. Your kid is screwed. He needs help. I suggest biomed and rdi to start. Get off the computer and help the the poor child. Fighting with other parents is no help to your son.

Dana,
You have an autistic son. Your autistic son is
healthy. Mine is not. Many are not. Many
suffered adverse reactions following vaccines.
those reactions were ignored and neglected.
their subsequent suffering was ignored and
neglected. They eventually were dx with autism.
their health problems were dismissed as simply
Being a comorbid condition that goes along
With autism and by the very doctors that YOU
are so quick to defend. Perhaps your sons autism
And my sons autism are not the same. Just
Because this is not your experience or reality
does not make ours untrue. You are a mom.
I am a mom. Why would you question our
experience of what we saw happen to our
children? I just do not understand this and
I do not think I ever will.

Your experience and your conclusions can be two different things. Your experiences have caused many of you to irresponsibly speak out against the vaccines that save so many lives. Of course there could be injuries caused by vaccines, but they are rare. I have answered your questions. Will someone try to answer mine. Why were there no autistic self advocates included in what is supposed to be a comprehensive look into autism? MacNeil should not put his name and reputation on something this one-sided and call it comprehensive. His misrepresentation makes it seem that autistic people are empty shells and puts them back 20 years.

I feel for a child that is surrounded by people who publicly go on record as saying you are a burden.

Dana,
Wouldn’t your question be more appropriately addressed to PBS? Why would anyone here be able to answer it seeing as no one has come forward to say they were directly involved with the program?

And really how do you interpret speaking out about adverse reactions to vaccines and speaking out about how the mainstream medical community is ignoring the concerns of parents and the present medical state of these children as parents saying their children are a burden?

It’s no surprise to me that doctors like this are going into “damage control” mode. Because the first part of this series was truthful and moving, and it touched on the horror of what these doctors have been doing to children for decades.

As the parent of a vaccine injured child, on who regressed into autism after his second MMR at 21 months, I was struck by the honesty of the presentation. It was heartbreaking, but it’s the first one I’ve ever seen discuss vaccines as a plausible cause, without some form of condescending commentary from an industry paid denialist like Paul Offit

Autism is really just a name, one that’s being used by the medical industry to “frame” a set of symptoms that actually stems from a root cause disorder that never gets discussed. And that root cause is called vaccine damage, end of story. Thousands upon thousands of parents have been saying this for decades, yet these parental claims have been dismissed by doctors, based on an alleged inability of parents to objectively assess what they KNOW they saw. Isn’t that quant, doctors who could potentially go to jail for admitting that children have been damaged by their vaccines.. are questioning the PARENTS ability to be objective??

Autism is a heartbreaking, manmade disorder that will eventually bring unimaginable shame to the medical community. Doctors know they could have stopped this madness years ago, but instead of coming clean they chose to do everything in their power to protect themselves… at the continued expense of innocent children.

Dr Ianelli

The fundamental problem here is that we are operating on a principle of hit and run. If anything happens to your child post vaccination the posture of the medical profession and the government (whichever) is “prove it”. It isn’t really good enough for you or Dr Offit or whoever to come on here and say “I didn’t do that”, because it requires remarkable resources and determination for any parent to prove their case against the government and the ranks of the profession.

However, lets stop pretending because despite everything being raked against the citizen the US government has already conceded that vaccines cause autism, the only real question is how often?

http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/04/seth-mnookin-never-answered-questions-on-us-government-vaccine-autism-concessions.html

Looking around me I would guess quite often – in the UK today we have a rate of 1 in 64 children.

Correction Mr. Stone,

The fundamental problem is there are still parents so foolish as to believe AoA.

For example here is the Banks decision:
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/Abell.BANKS.02-0738V.pdf

In your link, AoA offers this as an example of autistic conditions conceded by a US federal court.

But as the ruling clearly states, the case is for NON-AUTISTIC developmental delay.

Sadly, what AoA lacks in functional literacy it more than makes up for in censorship and immorality.

W&N

Science does move forward as our understanding of autism deepens. The criteria for Autism in DSM V clearly incorporates PDD Pervasive Developmental Disorder into the continuum that is Autism.

Many more enlightened medical practitioners have over the years clearly recognised this and have already incorporated it in to their critical thinking on what ‘Autism’ is.

Apparently the usual suspects from the pro vaccination lobby would have science stand still …

I prefer science to deepen and explore……

W and N, Commadatore, ANB-

Reading your condescending, non informative, calculated put down comments in response to the articulate parents who say point blank that vax caused their kids to get sick reveals you to be predisposed to an unalterable point of view, regardless of the evidence presented.

Now, you are stooping to attacking Robert MacNeil as an unknowing stooge of the evil anti vaxers? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that argument is? You come off as fools to say that MacNeil is just another sucker who is incapable of formulating a reasoned opinion based on his research. Your fear of him is palpable, I guess because he does have such a track record of objectivity and accuracy in his reporting.

Ignoring thousands and thousands of parental reports of injury following vaccination is bad science and bad medicine.

Your arguments become ever more convoluted, bizarre, mean spirited, and even personal as parent after parent tells the same story. The only explanation I can think of is that you have some visceral fear of a balanced, rational examination of all relevant data, including parental reports. Why are you so scared and defensive about parents who are concerned that their children were injured by shots?

No medical intervention is without risks, including vaccination. I believe the phrase is “unavoidably unsafe.”

Do you simply deny the well established fact that vaccination does result in brain damage? Why is the VICP necessary if the shots are not causing injuries? Other very complex areas of medicine survive the plaintiff’s bar and stay in business. Why do the vax makers require a blanket indemnification to stay in business?

ottoschnaut,

The posting above are all there for people to read.

Contrary to your comments, I continue to argue that parents should fact-check. There are many examples above where it turns out that the anti-vaccs simple aren’t truthful.

E.g. the reality that autism predates parent’s awareness of it and the non-validity of parents attributing autism to a vaccine injury, and the active suppression of these facts by the anti-vaccs are all a matter of public record.

Even if you choose not to look.

W&N

Well?
“Do you simply deny the well established fact that vaccination does result in brain damage? Why is the VICP necessary if the shots are not causing injuries? Other very complex areas of medicine survive the plaintiff’s bar and stay in business. Why do the vax makers require a blanket indemnification to stay in business?”

WOW.. This is the reason I never look at these posts. I believe everyone has a right to his or her opinion. However, I don’t need anyone telling how or why my child is affected. All I know is that I have a wonderful 11 year old child how just happens to be multiply disabled including Autism. I think these shows are trying to educate those people out there who don’t have these wonderful little people in thier lives. Sure it is trying and you want to pull your hair out once in a while, but look at the alternative. I lost a son to Muscular Dystrophy several years ago, now I have three beautiful healthy girls and one great little boy. So he isn’t healthy, but I know he was autistic before the MMR shot and I know I am not a “refrigerator mom” either so where does that leave me? I tell you where is leaves me working full time going home at night to do ABA and Floortime and listening to Christmas music in the middle of summer. I don’t need a WHY, I need people to understand when he has a meltdown that he is not a bad boy nor am I a bad parent, that’s just what he does….deal with it. I wish that someone would do show on that!

Hi, Lisa,
I think the biggest reason to talk a lot about the vaccines having caused the damage in our children is to bear testimony that will help parents who need to make the decision whether or not to vaccinate their own children with the relevant data that they will not get from their doctors or from the mainstream media. My daughter got encephalitis from the hepB shot given to her her first day of life (when I had said I didn’t want it) and was diagnosed with autism at twenty months old. She did not have the MMR, varicella, or Prevnar, she did have four DTaPs, three injected polio shots, and three Hibs. I now regret that I let her have any of the vaccines. There is no justification at all for the HepB shot at birth. Unless a family member is infected, there is close to zero danger that a baby or child will be exposed to HepB. Dr. Sears in The Vaccine Book studies the figures and concludes that the medical establishment pulled unsupported and greatly inflated numbers from a hat to justify implementing the hepB vaccine program. The protection, if such there is, from the series of shots will wear off before the child is old enough to have unprotected sex or use illegal injected drugs.

Our lives have been devastated by this vaccine. Parents need to know this before they make the decision for their own children. Make the hospital sign a document attesting that they have received the parents’ refusal of permission for the hepB vaccine. Read Patti White’s testimony and then decide.
Cynthia Parker

Dr. Ianelli, one of the bigger takeaway messages surrounding the Royal Free Hospital’s examination, diagnosis and care of the twelve kids who were the subjects of the Lancet case series, as per the parents’ own testimony, is that when the bowel inflammations were treated, the behavioral symptoms of autism were relieved. To varying degrees, and on an individual basis, the kids were more communicative, less distracted, and even began learning new vocabulary, picking up in essence where they had left off during the regression. Thus, for doctors to state that there are inadequate data to establish a causal role for intestinal inflammation in ASD’s is either misinformed or unethical.

Shawn, thanks for your insight. Please note my comments about eight posts before yours making note there were 13 doctors including Wakefield – quite implausible (dare I say laughable) they all conspired to put out a fraudulent Study.

But it was plausible ten of the Study doctors withdrew their names 12 years later because they saw the political writing on the GMC wall and were not courageous enough to see their medical licenses (wrongly) flushed away – survival being an understandable trait of doctors and no different than ordinary mortals.

david burd

Absolutely, David – and the British Medical Council not only did not call parents of the Lancet kids to testify, but would not allow the letter they submitted on behalf of the doctors, which included refutation of ethics charges levied against them. This is a media affair. Were the truth about vaccine damage to be revealed, the industry would ultimately collapse. It behooves all parents to research diligently before vaccinating their kids.

It also behooves medical professionals, like the good Dr. Ianelli, to research diligently. Dr. Wakefield has likened the budding autism epidemic to a tsunami, and I doubt that even Dr. Ianelli would care to challenge that analogy: if the rate of increase in autism diagnoses over the last two decades continues unabated, by 2045 or so – less than two generations from today – every boy in the U.S. will be on the spectrum, and within one more generation, every girl as well. This is a staggering reality.

tl;dr

From the length of this comments thread I can see that the antivaxers are mighty put out that someone would come along and ruin their little party. They managed to put one over on a grandpa whose heart was in the right place and happened to have quite a bit of pull at Newshour. They wooed him with their best sciencey-sounding-but-not-actually-scientific talk and let him try on a pair of their conspiracy goggles.

And so quite a few of the people who watch this show will get the wrong idea about the state of knowledge about autism, and treat the autistics in their lives incorrectly as a result. Proud of yourselves, ladies?

Lisa, this is no party.

Were several of your neighbors to tell you the canned green beans on the shelf of your local grocery had made them ill, you would not buy those green beans. Thousands of parents have attested to walking into a doctor’s office for vaccinations with a child who was healthy when they arrived for the visit, and damaged when they left. Yet, the general public continues vaccinating, partly because they have simple never seen the information.

Vaccine damage is a reality, and includes everything from allergies to childhood diabetes to neurological disorders – to death. There are more than 300,000 recorded reports of adverse vaccine reaction in VAERS, the national Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System – it is a voluntary system, and it is well known that only a small percentage of actual reactions ever get reported. The manufacturers’ own vaccine inserts list adverse reactions, some recorded during their clinical trials, some reported after mass distribution.

Every parent must make his or her own decision regarding vaccination, but each should at least be aware that the term “safe” in regards to vaccination is a mischaracterization, for safe means causes no harm.

Lisa, just curious…what would be the correct way to treat the “autistics”?

Also, I would say us “antivaxers” feel that Dr. Ianelli has hosted quite a lovely party for us here. He certainly has given us a wonderful opportunity to put our position forth.

In addition, the only indication, from Mr. Macneil’s, report as to whom influenced him was his daughter and grandchild. There was nothing to indicate he was influenced by anyone else. He gave his daughter an opportunity to share what she experienced with her child and he shared his own observation as to his grandchild’s improvement as a result of medical treatment. Where you get that “antivaxers” “wooed” him I have no idea.

Lisa R. @ (243)
I totally agree.

I am the mother of two wonderful autistic kids and I just want the author of this fine article, and others, to know that most parents of autistic kids do not subscribe to the ridiculous notions of anti-vaccine activists — or subject our children to quack “cures” that are sold with the very same pseudoscientific nonsense.

We know that vaccines are safe and effective and do NOT cause autism.

And we accept our kids as the blessings that they are, rather than labeling them as somehow “damaged” while lamenting the loss of some imaginary “normal” child who never even existed in the first place.

(BTW, it appears that many of the commenters here are the usual suspects — most likely sent via anti-vaccination activist blog posts/email action alerts — who often show up to make ignorant comments about science-based articles dealing with autism and/or vaccines.)

Margaret Toigo wrote “we know that vaccines are safe and effective and do not cause autism.”

Really? We KNOW this? Would you like to explain the safety of vaccines to the parents of the 1400 kids whose brain damage was ADMITTED and COMPENSATED in vaccine court?

Since Poul Thorsen (the lead author of the largest study (the “Danish” study) purporting to show no link between vaccines and autism) has been indicted on several counts of fraud, money laundering, and embezzlement, the findings of his study (which has already been shown to be flawed, see http://www.fourteenstudies.org) are now suspect. And there are many other studies (conveniently never mentioned in the media) that DO suggest a connection between autism and vaccines.

It’s relatively easy to find 100, 000 kids who are NOT allergic to peanuts, and then conclude that, statistically, peanuts don’t cause allergic reaction.

Taximom5,

A dilemma: what is worse?

That anti’s are still lying about the Danish studies?

Or that some parents still don’t care enough about the
truth to look?

W&N

The only pseudoscientific nonsense here is the notion that any vaccine has ever prevented a disease of any kind.

I’ll give you a hint… the companies who make billions peddling useless vaccines, are the same companies who make TRILLIONS selling treatments (.. but never cures) for the autoimmune disorders that vaccines create.

If you disagree, then by all means produce a single piece of scientific evidence to prove that any vaccine has ever prevented a disease.

But please remember, that epidemiology and/or historical recollections of supposedly thwarted polio epidemics are NOT scientific proof.

Hi Barry,

I gather you aren’t familiar with the expression “challenge study”.

W&N

White&Nerdy

Calling parents who disagree with you and who are fighting for vaccine safety research “anti-vaccine” is a very weak and transparent attempt at discrediting us.

It is very ineffective to call a group of people who fully vaccinated their children, witnessed an obvious adverse reaction, and now beg the gov’t & AAP to for more thorough studies on our vaccine program “anti-vaccine”.

Where here do you see anyone demanding that the U.S. stop vaccinating children. As you know, back in the 1980s children received 10 vaccines by the age of two. Did we have an epidemic of children dropping dead from infectious disease…no.

The parents you refer to as “anti-vaccine’ are interested in holding our vaccine program to the same level of scientific standard and rigor as other medical interventions. Simple fact…you can not say “vaccines” do not cause autism when you have only looked at one vaccine (MMR) and one ingredient (thimerosal/mercury). That does not = vaccines don’t cause autism and wanting more rigorous study, on say multiple vaccines administered at one time or the health outcomes of the entire schedule, does not make me anti-vaccine it makes me pro-science.

That said, until CDC, AAP, FDA & Pharma are willing to “put safety first” through responsible scientific inquiry I will no blindly trust that vaccines don’t cause autism and I will fight to prevent more children from being harmed.

White&Nerdy

Calling parents who disagree with you and who are fighting for vaccine safety research “anti-vaccine” is a very weak, illogical and transparent attempt at discrediting us.

It is very ineffective to call a group of people who fully vaccinated their children, witnessed an obvious adverse reaction, and now beg the gov’t & AAP to for more thorough studies on our vaccine program “anti-vaccine”.

Where here do you see anyone demanding that the U.S. stop vaccinating children. As you know, back in the 1980s children received 10 vaccines by the age of two. Did we have an epidemic of children dropping dead from infectious disease…no.

The parents you refer to as “anti-vaccine’ are interested in holding our vaccine program to the same level of scientific standard and rigor as other medical interventions. Simple fact…you can not say “vaccines” do not cause autism when you have only looked at one vaccine (MMR) and one ingredient (thimerosal/mercury). That does not = vaccines don’t cause autism and wanting more rigorous study, on say multiple vaccines administered at one time or the health outcomes of the entire schedule, does not make me anti-vaccine it makes me pro-science.

Therefore, until the CDC, AAP, FDA & Pharma adopt a “safety first” “do not harm” philosophy in our vaccine program I will not blindly trust that vaccines don’t cause autism. Wait….you’ve been given examples above where gov’t has acknowledged vaccines might cause autism….BUT never mind facts, you just illogically call people who demand a safer vaccine product “anti-vaccine.”

Pamela,

You don’t understand.

” Simple fact…you can not say “vaccines” do not cause autism when you have only looked at one vaccine (MMR) and one ingredient (thimerosal/mercury).”
Here is a very, very simple fact.

We can all read. We can all look at the words in studies and see that many different vaccines have been looked at with respect to causing autism.

When a parent believes this BS they are a victim.

When a person refuses to look at the words and chooses to ignore the fact that the claim that only one vaccine has been looked at is an outright lie.

Then they are an anti-vacc.

Clear?

W&N

O.K. W&N., I’m game.

Why don’t you point me to some of those studies that explore whether a vaccine other than MMR or a vaccine ingredient other than thimerosal might or might not cause autism.

What I am clear on is that you offered no evidence to back yourself up on the following statement, “We can all read. We can all look at the words in studies and see that many different vaccines have been looked at with respect to causing autism.”

Dr I

“Being on the AAP Council on Communications and Media doesn’t mean that I speak for the American Academy of Pediatrics.”

THAT”S EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS! I can speak from professional experience as a marketing/communications generalist. If you don’t tow the talking points and if you don’t stay on message for the AAP you would be kicked off that Council so fast your head will spin.

Being on the AAP Council on Communications and Media is the very reason you hold the “Pediatrics” topic on About.com.
If it weren’t you it would be some other Pediatrician who happily serves the AAP’s goals and interest serving as the “spokesperson” on about.com

I’ll go a step further… serving on the AAP Council on Communications and Media means that you participate in driving communications and media strategy, defining talking points, disseminating those talking points out to member Pediatricians and to the public through About.com..

“Being on the AAP Council on Communications and Media doesn’t mean that I speak for the American Academy of Pediatrics.”

“THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS! I can speak from professional experience as a marketing/communications generalist. ”

Whatever the role you would have me play, the AAP Council on Communications and Media develops policy to educate pediatricians and the public about the impact of media on children and families. It doesn’t make me an AAP spokesperson.

Dr. Iannelli

The “About Us” page for the AAP Counci on Communication and Media” is very clear as to what the goals are.

While, yes a portion of the mission focuses on the impact of media on children and families it as also very clear that the intent is to promote the AAP and even invites pediatricians to join if they would like to serve as a “spokesperson” for the AAP.

You are obviously serving as one of those spokespersons through this blog. To attempt to convince people otherwise is so grossly disinginuious that it only serves to seriously harm your credibility in general. Either you are being intentionally deceitful or you are ignorant as to the goals of the committee you sit on. It doesn’t even make since that you would be working so hard to distance yourself from the organization if you are going to sit on one of their committees.

From the website:

Who We Are
COCM membership is open to all Members of the Academy with an interest in the media. Such interests include serving as an AAP media spokesperson, producing media materials for patient education, educating others about the effects of media on child and adolescent health, and seeking to influence entertainment media. Academy Members who write for print media or appear on TV or radio or who promote chapter activities also will find Council membership useful.

If Vaccines Were Peanuts

Mother: He just ate his first peanut butter sandwich, and suddenly, his lips and face swelled up, and he couldn’t breathe!

Doctor: Calm down, don’t jump to hysterical conclusions. Correlation does not equal causation. It was coincidence. Or genetics. Or both. But it had nothing to do with the peanut butter!

Mother: But we have peanut allergies on both sides of the family!

Doctor: Nonsense! We know peanuts don’t cause allergies, because the peanut industry has kindly provided us with their own studies, done on kids with no family history or other risk of peanut allergy. The peanut industry funded, directed, interpreted, and marketed these studies, and THEY say that peanuts don’t cause allergies.

Now, you let little Timmy eat all the peanut butter sandwiches he wants, and I’ll write prescriptions for the swelling, choking, vomiting, etc.If he has trouble focusing on schoolwork while he’s choking, we’ll give him Ritalin, too. And I’ll write you a prescription for an anti-depressant for you, because you are getting hysterical.

HILARIOUS…What a perfect analogy

Absolutely brilliant analogy.

PERFECTLY SAID!

ooops… faux pas

Didn’t mean to post twice to White and Nerdy on calling concerned parents “anti-vaccine”. I thought the first post did not take.

Dr. Iannelli,

Personally, I took no offense to your article. It was simply your review of the episode (which, sadly, I had to miss) and your opinions on some of the information presented. I understand you are reluctant to accept that vaccine injuries do occur, and you expressed that reluctance as well.

However, the important thing to remember here is that vaccine injury can occur. Denial of these injuries does nothing but instill distrust in you and your profession. For example: my son was perfectly normal; bright, friendly, could walk and spoke about 30 words at 18 months old. At his 18 month checkup, he received multiple vaccines in one sitting. 6 hours later, he developed a high fever, seizures, and accute encepalopathy (determined by a CT scan). He lost all speach, the ability to walk until he was almost 3, and many of his skills. At the age of 2, he was diagnosed with Autistic Disorder. He is 9 years old now, still non-verbal, still in diapers. He will likely never be able to care for himself, never have children, and require specialized care for the rest of his life.

But, I have anonymous bloggers and those who profess to be science-based who say that what happened to my son was not real; that it was just coincidence or I confused correlation with causation. They say that my son is insignificant because the science rejects any association between what happened to him and his current diagnosis.

Continues

Craig Willoughby [part one]
please be so good as to provide a quotation from Dr Iannelli’s article in which he expresses a reluctance to accept that vaccine injuries do occur.

Denying that MMR causes autism is not the same as denying or even being reluctant to accept that vaccine injuries occur. Is there any record of anybody from the medical profession ever suggesting that vaccine injuries do not occur?

Regarding your son, what happened to him is real. Why it happened is open to question. It may be that what happened to him was the result of an adverse vaccine reaction. if so I hope you have applied for and received proper compensation. Frankly I do not believe that anybody has said that your son is insignificant. It may be that the circumstances of his case are statistically insignificant. i.e. it is so rare that we cannot draw any general conclusions from it.

It may be that the circumstances of his case are statistically insignificant. i.e. it is so rare that we cannot draw any general conclusions from it.

Did you really just say that? Why yes, you did. This story is certainly not a rare one, and your behaviour in its respect isn’t either. Sadly, you’re too blinded by your own ideology to see the irony of making the point that 300 comments on this thread had difficulty doing. Thanks. I guess.

Part 2:

So, tell me; is my son insignificant? Are any of these children who experienced what my son did insignificant? Those who profess to be science and evidence based say they are. They say, with absolute certainty, that vaccines cannot cause autism, or that vaccines cannot result in autism. But, they say this in the absence of ALL of the evidence. I am willing to bet every bit of money I have that not one of them has looked at my son’s medical records, or the medical records of any of the parents who have children like mine. Yet, when I explain what happened to my son, I am marginalized and ridiculed with an insulting moniker and dismissed. Their hypocrisy and hubris knows no bounds.

Here’s the deal. Doctors (yourself included) are basing the majority of their conclusions off of epidemiology. While epidemiology has its uses, it is really not appropriate for these types of cases. It’s like using a telescope to look at something the size of an atom. Plus, being quite familiar with statistics, the results can easily be misinterpreted (by ALL parties involved). And since epidemiology is based on statistical data, we can all use that to recall an old saying; “There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.” Also, being a programmer, it is easy to change a variable (something like inclusion criteria for a study that changes mid study but is not accounted for) and making the results come out in any way you want. In the programming world, we have 2 acronyms that mean the same thing; GIGO or CICO (I’ll let you guys figure out what it means).

Craig Willoughby [Part Two]

Craig, enough with the insignificant. Faux outrage will get you nowhere. Regarding epidemiology you are mistaken. It has detected very minute changes. It does this by looking at very big populations and finding statistically significant results. This is what happened with Rotateq and intussusception. Once a concern was flagged up by the reporting of individual cases the studies were done and detected a rate of one in ten thousand as a result of vaccination. The vaccine was withdrawn.

So how tiny is the rate of vaccine induced autism that it cannot be detected by epidemiological means, less than one in ten thousand? If vaccines were connected to autism it would have to be less than that because if it was more we would have found the link by now.

It does this by looking at very big populations and finding statistically significant results

If you are not cohesively looking at the population and diagnosing on a universal level, what good is your argument? Vaccine induced encephalopathy, or autism?

tiny is the rate of vaccine induced autism that it cannot be detected by epidemiological means, less than one in ten thousand?

Shouldn’t we have a control group here? One that hasn’t received any vaccines maybe?

“Craig, enough with the insignificant. Faux outrage will get you nowhere.”

You misrepresent my comment and my position. There was no outrage in my comment, but merely a legitimate question. The question illuminates the problem with epidemiology and medical science. They are making definitive claims without reviewing all of the evidence, which is the opposite of how science really works. They are looking at general cases and not specific cases and basing their broadbased generalizations off of incomplete data. Calling themselves science-based is laughable and hypocritical at best. Such duplicity deserves nothing but scorn and ridicule. It took a considerable amount of restraint on my part to refrain from showing it. Perhaps you should learn from that example?

“So how tiny is the rate of vaccine induced autism that it cannot be detected by epidemiological means, less than one in ten thousand?”

Do you know what GIGO stands for? If the inclusion criteria on the studies is flawed, what does that tell us about the study itself?

Part 3:

Yes, this applies to both sides of the argument. No, I’m not saying that the CDC studies are garbage. But, we aren’t seeing the whole story, either.

If I may be so bold, I wish to make a prediction. Within the next 10 years, there will be incontrovertible proof that something environmental is interacting with certain genetic conditions (see Hannah Poling for a good example of this) that is causing these conditions in our children. It may be the vaccines, or it may be something else. And I dread the day when what is happening is revealed. If it is the vaccines, medical professionals will lose all credibility, and these dreaded diseases we all fear (polio and smallpox) WILL return.

If this happens, FSM help the pharmaceutical industry and these venomous anonymous bloggers and doctors who make sport of parents like me. Please don’t take it that I’m condoning violence, but I can see no possible way that this scenario will turn out good.

Dr. Ianelli- Just one more young pediatrician who is too young to remember the days when children and babies were not sick ALL the time. Oh, ya know, just those run a the mill illnesses like diabetes, ITP, Kawasaki, autism , asthma, ear infections, and so many more wonderful diseases with long lists of symptoms that you feel so great about memorizing.

Craig,
Your comment was spot on! It is disheartening to stand in a room and scream on top of your lungs over and over and over again…”no! i do not want to see measles, smallpox, polio return and ravage our children!” and not be heard because all people see is the scarlet letter US anti-vaccine parents wear. This is not all JUST about autism, it is about giving and wanting some kind of checks and balances to agencies that have been given carte blanche freedom to do what they please at the expense of our children while making record breaking profit.

It’s a tactic called poisoning the well. They pre-emptively dismiss any concerns by saying “You’re just anti-vaccine.”

They think that anti-vaxxers are all crazy and scientifically illiterate, so they throw that epithet out to discredit anything you say. It’s pretty pathetic, to be honest, especially considering that it is somewhat of a misnomer for the majority of parents who have vaccine concerns. When they start hurling that moniker, it’s pretty safe to say that they don’t want to discuss these concerns, but rather attack the person with the concerns. Again, it’s pathetic.

Today’s statement from Allison MacNeil, daughter of PBS’ Robert Macneil, via SafeMinds press release. http://www.news-medical.net/news/20110419/SafeMinds-calls-for-immediate-vaccine-safety-studies-in-autistic-children.aspx

Pamela,

Standard Safeminds BS–which I suppose is why they are marginalized to arguing by press releases.

Can’t count the number of mandated vaccines, can’t tell the truth that vaccine manufacturers aren’t immune from lawsuits.

Was it your intention to make them look silly?

W&N

W&N

The only person who looks silly here is you.

Here’s the CDC recommended vaccine schedule. Note: If you count one flu vaccine each year as recommended you get 36 by age 6…at the latest. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/child-schedule.htm

Are you not aware that the Supreme Court recently ruled that parents can not sue vaccine manufacturers in civil court in front of a jury of their peers? Cases can only be brought before the federal vaccine court in front of a panel of special masters and when awards are issued they are paid out of a gov’t fund not by the manufacturer? Here’s the Reuters article – WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Supreme Court ruled that federal law shields vaccine makers from product-liability lawsuits in state court seeking damages for a child’s injuries or death from a vaccine’s side effects.” http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/22/us-pharma-vaccines-lawsuit-idUSTRE71L41420110222

Who are you W&N? Why don’t you drop the anonymous bit and come clean. Do you not know these facts or do you just think you will wear us autism Moms down and you will get the last word?

W&N

Here’s the CDC’s recommended vaccine schedule. Count one Flu Vaccine each year and you get 36 by age 6…if not by age 4. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/child-schedule.htm

Here’s the article from Reuters where the Supreme Court Ruled vaccine manufacturers can not be sued in civil court. All cased must be filed in the federal vaccine court where case are heard by special masters not juries and awards are paid out of a gov’t fund and not by the manufacturer. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/22/us-pharma-vaccines-lawsuit-idUSTRE71L41420110222

Who is it that looks silly here?

CDC Recommended schedule. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/child-schedule.htm
Counting Flu vaccine once per year from age 6 months you get 36 vaccines by age 6…and possibly by age 4

(Reuters) – The Supreme Court ruled that federal law shields vaccine makers from product-liability lawsuits in state court seeking damages for a child’s injuries or death from a vaccine’s side effects.

This means parents can only take lawsuits to federal court to be heard by a panel of “special masters” not a jury and awards are paid out of a gov’t fund not by the pharma manufacturer. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/22/us-pharma-vaccines-lawsuit-idUSTRE71L41420110222

FYI… Offit caught lying again today. For those of you who are keeping track:

http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2011/04/offit-called-out-for-lying-again.html

“An OC Register article dated Aug. 4, 2008 entitled “Dr. Paul Offit Responds” contained several disparaging statements that Dr. Offit of Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia made about CBS News Investigative Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson and her report. Upon further review, it appears that a number of Dr. Offit’s statements, as quoted in the OC Register article, were unsubstantiated and/or false. Attkisson had previously reported on the vaccine in…”

Noooo!? Offit lied? Not Paul Offit!?

Good for the OC Register for retracting their article and coming right out and saying that he made false claims.

Oh, and for those of you who don’t know, Offit was reprimanded by Congress when he sat on the CDC vaccine advisory panel for voting on whether the roto virus vaccine should remain on the schedule, when he held a roto virus patent on a vaccine he was developing.

He has also made claims that it would be safe to administer 10,000 vaccines…no 100,000, to a child at one time. Honestly? Who is the real “False Profit” of autism. Obviously, that would be For Profit Offit.

AAP, when will you stop falling back on this guy? It’s becoming pretty obvious that you just can’t find another water boy.

@ pamela
you cannot go around making things up about people.
Paul Offit has never been reprimanded by Congress.
Paul Offit recused himself from voting on the Rotateq vaccine precisely because he was working on a rival vaccine.
How do you take out a patent on a vaccine you are still inventing? Do tell. There are lots of things I have not finished that I would like to patent in case someone else finishes them before me.

Oh and he never said it would be safe to administer 100,000 vaccines to a child at one time. Never. He did write an article about the capacity of the immune system that suggested that it would be theoretically possible for the immune system to cope with the equivalent of 100,000 antigens at once and survive. It is what happens when we get sick and don’t die. Vaccines give us attenuated versions of the same diseases so we don’t have to.

Pamela,

You could try to actually read his publication and try to understand the point he is making.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/109/1/124?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=offit&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=10&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

Funny, I don’t recall any of his critics posting the study for parents to read.

I wonder why? It is almost as if they don’t what parents to get the facts….

W&N

Ginger is lying about lying. That’s priceless.

Dude… it is right here in black and white…

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/correction-296910-dated-entitled.html

“Upon further review, it appears that a number of Dr. Offit’s statements, as quoted in the OC Register article, were unsubstantiated and/or false.”

Ms Taylor,

Are we suppose to be surprised?

You have engaged in character attacks and once again linked to an adventuresinautism posting that isn’t even functionally literate much less moral.

In other word, just par for the course.

W&N

White & Nerdy

Ms. Taylor has reported fact…in fact the OC register rescended their article on Dr. Offit yesterday.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/correction-296910-dated-entitled.html

What is it in her reporting of this fact, that you find functionally illiterate, immoral or for that matter incorrect?

Mike Stanton

It is very clear that Offit’s 10,000 vaccine projection was used to bolster confidence in multi-vaccinations. If you can persuade people that 10,000 is theoretically safe then it softens them up for seven, eight or nine – or perhaps now in excess of 100 by the time someone becomes an adult. For instance, some years ago I had this jolly interesting communication from our very own Dr Salisbury (head of immunisation in the UK):

“Turning to my comments on Newsnight – I suggest you read Paul Offit’s paper – as I have done. On page 126, he states: “Current data suggest that the theoretical capacity determined by diversity of antibody variable gene regions would allow for as many as 109 (1,000,000,000) to 1011(100,000,000,000) different antibody specificities”. And “… then each infant would have the theoretical capacity to respond to about 10,000 vaccines at any one time” – not antigens. I was speaking very specifically about the infant immune system’s ability to respond, in the context of the ridiculous suggestion that the new vaccine combination, containing far fewer antigens than the one it will replace, would overload the immune system. My words were “The immune system of a baby has got huge spare capacity to deal with challenge. If we didn’t, the human race wouldn’t survive. But let’s look specifically at vaccine. This has been studied carefully. A baby’s immune system could actually tolerate perfectly well 1,000 vaccines”. At no point did I suggest that 1,000 vaccines would not increase the probability of adverse reactions – a quite different matter.” (Email August 26, 2004 10.03 am)

Dr. Iannelli,
You write: “and know that the Wakefield report that started much of the talk about a link between MMR and autism was falsified.”

Please explain what exactly the Wakefield report falsified?

What is the difference between telling a lie and giving a vaccine?

You can’t take back the vaccine.

For whitey

How many pro vaxxers does it take to change a light bulb ?

ummm…. they don’t change it they vaccinate it.

“How many pro vaxxers does it take to change a light bulb?”

But of course no one from Age of Autism would actually change the light bulb either (they would stay in the dark) because of the evidence of harm that electricity damaged the light bulb.

There you go …. well done Doctor.

That’s right….just keep telling us autism/biomed parents how crazy we are thinking our children’s autism has anything to do with their GI tracts.

From Scientific America: The Neuroscience of the Gut
Strange but true: the brain is shaped by bacteria in the digestive tract
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-neuroscience-of-gut

the article states “In autism and other pervasive developmental disorders, there are reports that the specific bacterial species present in the gut are altered and that gastrointestinal problems exacerbate behavioral symptoms. A newly developed biochemical test for autism is based, in part, upon the end products of bacterial metabolism.”

The article closes with, “And the discovery that gut bacteria exert their influence on the brain within a discrete developmental stage may have important implications for developmental brain disorders.”

When real science explores autism, as opposed to the “paper science” encapsulated in the epidemiologists working for various government health authoritites, an entirely different picture of the causes of autism begins to emerge.

This is just one of many pieces of evidence that quite clearly point to the major role the immune system plays in autism.

Real research using actual children have shown that there are immune systems dysfunctions which are exhibited in a variety of ways – eczema , food allergies , asthma, gastro problems.

Real research shows inflammation being present in the brains of autistic children, they also show structural changes to the brain particularly in areas aligned with the common manisfestations of behaviour autisitic children show.

Parents are asking for robust clinical studies to be undertaken not “paper trials”.

Abnormal Gastrointestinal Histopathology in Children With Autism Spectrum Disorders.

J Pediatr Gastroenterol Nutr. 2011 Feb 2.

Intestinal lymphonodular hyperplasia was consistently found in autistic patients ….

The take home message from this review ….

Large properly designed prospective controlled trials addressing this issue are required.

For parents …the science isn’t being done.

I only have one thing to say here. I was not anti-vaccine, my kid got the full schedule. Even after his first regression after mmr (after which he NEVER had another normal bowel movement, stopped eating everything he ate before that day and stoppd talking), I discussed it with my ped and he swore it wasn’t the vaxes. I gave HIM, not my baby, the benefit of the doubt. The next round of vaccines, we walked out of the doctor’s office with a baby who could not look at us anymore. Within days he was biting, punching and hitting us all day long. Or just screaming. THAT is why I am “anti-vaccine”. Not because someone told me to be. Because vaccines stole my baby’s brain. We got it back. 80 hours of hbot, 35 rounds of chelation and 3 years of diet and supplements. Working with a pediatrician who recognized vaccine injury for what it was.

You have it wrong. The bigger takeaway message is that kids with autism do have gasteronintenstinal conditions. Where you err is that it is not just like all kids. Not every typical child has gasteronintestinal problems (in fact, most don’t), every child with autism has gasterintestinal conditions. And until you so called experts who don’t have a child with autism bother to address all the realities that affect these children, you have nothing to add to the discussion.

Do you want to reconsider that “every child with autism has gastrointestinal problems” bit?

I have autism (in the disability/mental health system since age 1; ASD diagnosed at 14 in 1985). I don’t have a gastrointestinal condition (tho I do have refractory epilepsy).

My nephew has autism. He does not have a gastrointestinal condition. He’s also not what most people would think of as “high functioning” (toilet trained at 6, at a special school, wanders).

I can name other autistics (children and adults) *without* GI problems. I can also name autistics *with* GI problems – which may or may not be connected to their autism in some way (if only in the sense of pain affecting behavior and ability to concentrate/learn).

“If you’ve met one autistic person, you’ve met one autistic person”.

Further to what I said previously: GI problems *are* more common than average amongst people on the autism spectrum.

A proportion of autistics have (undiagnosed) underlying medical conditions causing *both* neurological and GI symptoms.

And many autistics have difficulty getting appropriate health care for *any* symptoms – GI or otherwise (for me it was seizures).

Doctors often write off behavioral changes as “part of our autism” (especially people with very limited communication). Some of us have very atypical sensory processing, hard for *us* to recognise something wrong/to localise pain/whatever.

…ideas into words getting very hard.

So link about autism, health care and access issues from perspective of autistic adult: http://is.gd/f0oQ7l. Doesn’t include all the issues for autistic children, or adults with severe autism and limited communication. But best I can do now (I write good on internet, but this has taken more than hour).

Adverse event report. Does this child now have autism?

Vaccine Manufacturer:MERCK & CO. INC.
Vaccine Code:MMR
Vaccine Type:MEASLES, MUMPS AND RUBELLA VIRUS VACCINE, LIVE
Vaccine Name:MEASLES + MUMPS + RUBELLA (MMR II)
Year Reported:2008
Symptom Reported:Coxsackie virus serology test

MEASLES + MUMPS + RUBELLA (MMR II) Side Effects Report #325134
MEASLES + MUMPS + RUBELLA (MMR II) vaccine side effect was reported on 09/15/2008. Male patient, child 2.0 years of age, was vaccinated with MEASLES + MUMPS + RUBELLA (MMR II). Patient symptoms: Coxsackie virus serology test, “THIS 2 YR 2 MO OLD CAUCASIAN MALE WAS FOUND UNRESPONSIVE ANS ASSUMING BIZZARE POSTURES WITH TREMULOUSNESS SINCE THE MORNING OF 09/12/2008. HE WAS ADMINISTERED CATCH UP VACCINES ON 09/09/2008 WHICH ARE DTaP/Hib/MMR1/VARICELLA1/PCV. NO HISTORY OF FEVER/VOMITING/DIARRHEA/SEIZURES/RASH. BUT GRAND MOM, WHO IS A NURSE, REPORTED THE CHILD HAVING CHILLS SINCE THE MORNING OF 09/12/2008.

Part 2: from Kim S.

KID HAD MULTIPLE MOSQUITO BITES ALL OVER HIS BODY. ACCORDING TO CONSULTANT NEUROLOGIST: THE PATIENT BEGAN DISPLAYING BEHAVIORAL CHANGES ON FRIDAY, 09-12-2008 WITH LOSS OF LANGUGAE ABILITIES AND LETHARGY OR INATTENTIVENESS. HE SEEMED TO ENGAGE IN SOME~ STARING~ BEHAVIOR. NO FEVER OR CONVULSIVE SEIZURE ACTIVITY NOTED. 0N 09-14-2008, NEUROLOGIC STATUS HAS IMPROVED. THE PATIENT SEEMS TO BE RETURNING TO HIS HEALTHY BASELINE. HE STILL APPEARS SLIGHLTY ~UNSTEADY AND SHAKY~, AS CORROBORATED BY HIS MOTHER. HE IS NOW TALKING SOME, EATING, PLAYING AND ENGAGING WITH HIS ENVIRONMENT. HE HAS NO CLOUDING OF SENSORIUM. HE REMAINS SEIZURE FREE DESPITE BEING ON ANY ANTI CONVULSANT. EEG IS PLANNED TODAY 09/15/2008. THIS MORNING HE IS QUITE ACTIVE BUT STILL A LITTLE SWAYING IS PRESENT IN HIS GAIT PROBABLY DUE TO CERBELLAR ATAXIA.” NONENONE”CT SCAN HEAD: NORMAL. CXR: NORMAL. UA: NEGATIVE. CBC: WBC-9000 WITH SEG% 47.2, MONO%- 10.2, EOS%- 8.8, BASO%- 0.3, LYMPH – 33.5 H/H: 12/34.5 PLATELETS-301. BMP: Na-137, K-3.8, Cl-101, CO2-22, GLUCOSE- 87, BUN- 15, CREATININE- 0.3, CALCIUM” . During the same period patient was treated with NONE. Patient was hospitalized Patient recovered.

“HE REMAINS SEIZURE FREE DESPITE BEING ON ANY ANTI CONVULSANT. ”

One must wonder what exactly the doctor was trying to say here…

Dr Martha Herbert : Harvard Medical School

I don’t think there’s any one cause of autism. I would lay money that we will not find one thing. We certainly haven’t found one gene; we’re finding hundreds of genes. We’re finding boutique genes. We’re finding genes that kids have and the parents don’t have — their own parents.

I think that there are a lot of things environmentally that are overwhelming our ability to cope, metabolically, that are overwhelming our immune system.

And the synergy — the collective impact of that is to deplete our protective systems. And I think that’s what’s causing autism.

Dr. Craig Newschaffer, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at Drexel University

also believe, however, that there are going be causal components that are nonheritable genetics, things that we refer to as environmental causes, with a capital E, environment-encompassing lifestyle factors — exposures, things of that nature.

Dr David Amaral – UC Davis Medical MIND Institute

I think more importantly what the whole vaccine issue has done is has opened our eyes again to the idea that the immune system is an important component of autism.

While I admit I didn’t read all 500+ comments, it clearly seems there is a new rift between pediatricians and parents. While I have no idea when it began, I do believe it was supported by the phamaceutical companies and the “respected journals”, clearly pediatricians do not listen to parents. If this is a sample, we need to go back to the medical schools and fix this first before we attempt to communicate any further. Perhaps medicine is no longer the choice for the gifted as much as the choice for the privileged. I saw my WONDERFUL pediatrician, Hopkin’s educated pushed out of her place within that “community” for being honest, taking the time to listen and research, and that’s all the “wrong” she did. Medicine took that turn, she was blindsided, and while at 65 she may have sought retirement , she remained comitted to EACH child, a real wake up call for her in this fast paced corporate style of medicine when she became required to limit time , and bolster sales of certain “drugs”. She didn’t spend years devoted to become nothing more than a “car salesman”.

I would like to know why Dr. Ianneli has not responded to the many excellent questions and valid points posted here by parents whose lives revolve around researching their autistic child’s medical conditions.

I see a couple of posts from him, where he recommends a pro-vaccine book or pro-vaccine website, but not a single one where he bothers to engage in a real discussion.

Instead, he lets trolls and pharma shills launch personal attacks on the parents.

That to me is more than disappointing; it’s shocking.

Surely the number of well-educated parents AND scientists who have gone on record, saying, “I believed in vaccines until *I* saw my own child injured by them” should have some kind of an effect. Otherwise, I find myself in the heartbreaking position of almost wishing that Dr. Ianelli would find himself holding HIS seizing baby post-vaccination, and wondering what on earth he had just allowed to happen.

Tragically, I believe that is the only way he will ever understand. Until that happens, he will lie to himself and say, “oh, all these parents are just looking for something to blame, and vaccination events are just pure coincidence….”

Yes TaxiMom, although I didn’t read all posts, the ridiculous one where he stated he “once had a patient that seized a month after vaccines but the child had a virus”…DID IT FOR ME! I realized at that moment he’s not “real”. Most pediatricians, are aghast at the flood of autism that has occured since the 90’s, and certainly within the time constraints of receiving vaccines, and if nothing else they “wonder”. I’ve enjoyed viewing the PBS broadcast, yet found the editting interesting . Subsets? Small subsets? NO! In the expanded interviews the truth is much more clear. If we start looking at this as a crime, we would be identifying the suspect..check…then try to understand the motive..check!

I wonder if Dr Ianelli would like to comment on the recent research being presented that there is a clear role for the immune system in autism and that a quite reasonable hypothesis could be that vaccines may interfere with the natural development of an infant’s immune system.

University of California David Medical

1. http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/newsroom/releases/archives/mind/2005/immune_sys5-2005.html

Dr Amaral UC Davis at Psychiatric News

“Such children may be born with a vulnerability to autism, but not doomed to get it,” he explained. “Something in the environment may be a second hit. So if one could detect at birth those children who are vulnerable and at the same time understand more about what it is in the environment that triggers autism, it might be possible to keep those children from ever experiencing the trigger and thus prevent their autism.”

Johns Hopkins Medicine

2. http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2004/11_15a_04.html

BBC

Researcher Dr Carlos Pardo-Villamizar said: “These findings reinforce the theory that immune activation in the brain is involved in autism, although it is not yet clear whether it is destructive or beneficial, or both, to the developing brain.”

3. That these types of hypotheses have been suggested since 1998 by other researchers … outside of Wakefield.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/10/981031181106.htm

Love the program and the understanding of the subject. Check out the UCSB program.. as they too are leading the world into what autism really means….maybe a little different than UC Davis, “Mind Center”. Both are working to help children as well as how it impacts the entire family unit. You are giving the world knowledge and knowledge helps find answers to questions yet to be asked.

We were out-of-country during showing of “Autism Now” series. When/how can we see a rerun? Thanks!

PBS IS WRONG!!! PBS SOLD OUT!!!

STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT VACCINES DO DO DO DO DO CAUSE AUTISM!!! THEY ARE LYING TO YOU!!!

PBS ARE LIARS!! PBS ARE LIARS!!

WAKEFIELD WAS FRAMED!!! HIS STUDY WAS LEGIT!!! THE VACCINE INDUSTRY FRAMED HIM AND PERSECUTED HIM!! HE WAS THREATENED WITH HIS LIFE TO ‘ADMIT’ BULLSHEIT LIES ABOUT HIS STUDIES!!

MEANWHILE THE VACCINE COMPANIES SETTLE IN CASES THEY NEVER TELL YOU ABOUT IN WHICH IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNDENIABLE THAT AUTISM WAS CAUSED BY RECEIVING 4-6 VACCINES IN ONE DAY!!! THEY KNOW THIS!! THEY KNOW THIS!! THEY KNOW THIS!! AND THEY ARE LYING TO YOU ABOUT IT!!

YET THEY PAY OUT TO SETTLE WITH A THOUSAND OR SO CHILDREN EVERY YEAR WHO ARE SACRIFICED – THIS IS HUMAN SACRIFICE!!! TO THE VACCINE INDUSTRY!!

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In 2008 Dr Bernadine Healy said in a CBS News interview, “Vaccines may cause autism” & “It’s inexcusable that the proper research has not been done”
Dr Healy is a former NIH Director, Professor of Medicine at Johns Hopkins, Chair of the Research Institute of the Cleveland Clinic, author of over 100 papers & studies.
Dr Healy’s opinion on study design & data interpretation is expert & relevant.

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf – MMR package insert
This is a 12 page pamphlet of warnings, contraindications, adverse events, precautions that Merck says are associated with their MMR vaccine.
It is worth the time to carefully read and understand. 100s of injuries are admitted by Merck to be linked to MMR. This includes dozens of types of brain injuries, dozens of types of immune impairment or autoimmune disease, scores of other disorders… all linked to MMR by the manufacturer.
Most of the brain injuries can lead to autism like symptoms. autism, other PDD diagnoses, brain autoimmune diseases & MANY other disorders.
Merck warns us not to get MMR if you any type of immune impairment, fever or are taking any immune impairing drugs (like remicade, enbrel, singulair or others)

Vaccines are linked to autism & proved to cause autism or autism-spectrum disorders… it’s way past time to end this nonsensical fruadulent pretense of epidemiological studies supported by the drug industry & their shills in the FDA & CDC bureaucratic ranks

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